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Unbirths + Xehanorts intentions

Discussion in 'Archive' started by cozzy_0205, Jun 1, 2009.

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  1. cozzy_0205

    cozzy_0205 New Member

    Just wondering what peoples theories are regarding Xehanort and the Unbirths, specifically where did they come from, where did they go and how are they made?
     
  2. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    I think MX might can create artificial unbirths.
    That they all died out.
    And created from the soul.
     
  3. LivingDeath

    LivingDeath Dormina'd

    Spam......

    And in my opinion, Unbirths died because of the result from keyblade war.
     
  4. Destiny

    Destiny Guest

    I personally believe in a long ttheory, I'll summarize it, I already have it up here somewhere, I'll edit this post with a link in a bit.

    I beleieve Normura is following the heart, mind, body, and soul parts of life. I believe the hearts's enemy is with the hearless. Body being the nobodies, and I believe the unbirths are either mind or soul. I'm still not positive in which which one it is.

    I think Master Xehanort's intentions is this is going to sound nuts, but to stop the unbirths, so he creates kingdom hearts, in creating kingdom hearts the unbirths turned to heartless that;s why their symbols are the same. In doing so however some unbirths that were still around made Master Xehanort evil and the DS was also created. That's why I think VAT are looking for Master Xehanort, to try and save him and bring back their old master.

    I must say the MX theory just came up with it now :D


    EDIT- my unbirth theory...

    http://kh-3.net/forums/future-kingdom-hearts-games/4258-what-unbirth.html
     
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  5. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    Here's something I either just thought up, or might have thought of it before. I DO NOT REMEMBER READING ANYTHING THAT MAY SOUND LIKE WHAT I WILL SAY.

    Unbirths could be pure darkness. When people fought over the light (Kairi's grandma's story), the darkness was formed. That first bit of darkness took the shape of unbirhts. As the unbirths started being killed off by TAV, the free floating darkness started going into hearts to eventually consume the hearts and become heartless.

    Either that or something concerning the soul.
     
  6. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    To further support, her unbirth part, except i don't agree with the mind part, but hers is pretty legit.
    my theory, like many other, goes

    Heartless=Heart + Soul

    Nobodies=Soul+Body

    Unbirths=Soul+Heart

    if needed ill elaberate so more.

    hmm let me think about this i sorta like this
     
  7. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    both theriors sound good, i think stars make sense.
     
  8. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    Im thinking that he created artifical unbirths unless AtW.

    But Xehanort created the first heartless.

    I just think that nomura drew the designs the same.

    Or summoned.

    I feel like its memory involved somehow. The symbol looks like a heart cross by a card from CoM.

    If it was pure darkness wouldnt Unbirths still be around.
     
  9. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    but there's light in everyone, so there not pure darkness anymore, even ansum wasn't pure darkness.
     
  10. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    I explained why. The pure darkness remained. But instead of forming Unbirths again, the darkness instead started consuming hearts and forming heartless.
     
  11. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    heartless where made by a freak experiment, the darkness of hearts mixed which would have to be the last unbrith and some other stuff, it was in the anseum reports.
     
  12. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    Artificial heartless are experiments.

    Real heartless (i.e. Shadow, Neoshadow, Darkball, Darkside, etc.) aren't created the same way artificial heartless are. Nobody knows how real heartless were first created.
     
  13. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    Maybe their is, we just havent seen it yet.

    No artificial heartless are heartless created by a machine and stamped with the heartless symbol. An actual heartless were the experiments which dont have the heartless symbol.
    But heartless are created from the darkness within the heart not outside of it.
    Also according to the story it already had consumed hearts way before TAV's time.

    Ya your right real and artificial arent created in the same way but we know how real heartless are created. When the darkness in people's heart take over or released.
     
  14. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    I meant the first time they were created. There had to be something special happen to cause the heartless to form in the first place.
     
  15. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    MX had to some how create them.
     
  16. Master Gilgamesh

    Master Gilgamesh New Member

    hmm.... along with the Xehanort experimenting thing: I've been saying this for yonks, but the unbirths look like some artificial heartless, so here's my theory with heartless and unbirths. Ansem TW probably encountered an unbirth and tried re-create one by using experiments, etc etc.

    my theory summarised:
    Heartless = darkness of heart.
    Unbirth = darkness of soul. probably wrong, but still, just throwin' it out there.

    but we should be asking, how did unbirths come into being anyways?
     
  17. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    Thats what we have been trying to find out.
    Its just not enough information on these thingss have been released..
     
  18. PaintedDragon

    PaintedDragon New Member

    The soul theory ounds right to me. Hearts and body are already taken, so Unbirths have gotta be made from the soul. I STILL think that when one becomes an Unbirth, it's as if they become "unborn", but maybe their souls get left behind because they were consumed by darkness.
     
  19. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    Yea, the unborn part, is way to simple actually

    okay if you go up to a person and say,
    What does a heartless mean to you, im pretty sure there answer would be, one WITHOUT a heart, but heartless are hearts filled with darkness

    and if you say, well what is a nobody, someone that isn't important, or has No body,
    but a nobody, is just a body

    so my point is, we can't really go by the defintion, i think its something opposite of being unborn, but not to be born either.
     
  20. Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    Ya I pretty much think its the soul.
    UnBirth is UnBorn = Undo Born = Death, Which the soul is released.

    To simply put it. To Un born someone, death must occur and when death occurs the soul is released.
     
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