Is it possible for Nobodies to feel?

i think i mentioned something like that

 

i think they can feel, (nobody leaders-org) but the nobody that you gain exp like keep fighting because of them appearing alot. i think those don't feel anything......
but im not really sure.

i agree with the other opinions of people but........ XD

 

Nobodies don't feel anything, the act like they can feel things, that was explained, they act like it to either trick you or because they think thats what a feeling is like. No nobody has feelings, i think the only exceptions are Roxas and Namine, because their "others" are still walking around with a heart, while other nobodies are usually just heartless.

 

??? & what about Xion? Even though she was created from Sora's memories, she still was able to feel right? Then comes Axel. I think he was able to feel too.He wasn't able to pretend like he have feelings because in KH Chain of Memories, after letting Namine escape, he felt something warm & was enjoying it & in KH2, he had feelings for Roxas.

 

I can explain that in the spoiler thing I posted in this thread on it's first page.
I could tell you personally if you allow me to (through a PM), or you could just highlight my text in that post where I say spoiler to answer your question.

EDIT
Okay was beaten >.<
Lag slows me down...

 

<.> YOU SNAKE! I WENT OVER THE *____* & YOU HAD THE XION IS NOT A NOBODY COVERED UP! HOW RUDE!! Oh well. What do we call Xion? A fragment? Anyways, Xemnas wasn't able to feel for being a nobody for so long. Did that worked for the other original 5 who was Ansem's apprentice too?

 

We call her a *CLONE* (yes it's another spoiler thing)
And Nobodies were never able to feel.
It's all thought to them.
Except Roxas and Namine which has been mentioned before in this thread.

 

*Saix refers to Xion continually as a doll. and later as a broken doll. Roxas and Axel were the only ones to never think of her as a doll. Roxas because he dudn't know and Axel because he could see she was something more*
that should clear up what to call Xion.

 

we probably should but in the game and on every KH site i know of, she's always classified as a *doll* so calling her different is technically wrong.

 

*doll*, * replica * , * Ventus *,(* Ventus *?!! WHAT THE FREAK?!), WHATEVER! She's something! Don't you think that Vexen had the feeling of fear when he was attacked by Axel?

 

Xion is not a nobody, -__-, like stated, im unsure if she feels things but probably does
i won't state why because *I DON'T WANNA EFFIN EXPLAIN IT =) But personally i think she also has fake feelings

 

Haha...the irony, the irony. I am glad that several people have wondered about this before/after/during (??? O_O) my stay on the forums... This was actually the original reason why I joined in the first place. It was part of my quest to prove that Nobodies had hearts. […If you really want to know, pm me or something.] It is certainly a lot more complicated subject than I thought. I mean, yes, I think that it is relatively easy to prove that Nobodies (at least the Nobodies that make up Organization XIII) seem to feel. Anger/rage and hate are technically feelings, and these are clearly expressed in characters like Xemnas, Saix, Demyx, Axel, Larxene, Marluxia...and then there's sorrow seemingly expressed—Saix pining for his heart, Axel shedding the one tear, and Axel (again) acting upset/distraught/sad when Roxas says “No one would miss me.”

....yeah, I have a good case for this, somewhere in the world of computer files (dun dun dunn. Seriously, though, I have way too many files X_X) But of course I will spare you all from the monologue of "doom" that's probably pages long (unless you really want me to elaborate haha). However, it is not so easily proven that they actually do have feelings, nor that they could. As has been expressed previously by several people, it is difficult to determine the veracity of the feelings expressed by the Nobodies that make up Organization XIII. Just because they may seem to feel something doesn’t necessarily mean that the feeling is real.
I know, this is probably going to sound contradictory. I apologize. It’s difficult to put into words.

Ok, so first things first—what I call the “constructs” of Kingdom Hearts. Basically these are the “rules” that reside over a world, that keep it running. For example, a construct (KH) in action would be the entire concept of being able to lose your heart and become a heartless while simultaneously becoming a Nobody [heart goes to the Heartless—simplified explanation, I guess it’s really more like emblems have hearts and purebloods are hearts—body and soul to the Nobody]. In the real world, obviously this phenomena would not happen; the constructs of our world don’t allow for such a thing to take place.

According to the constructs in KH, the only beings that can feel (truly, at least as expressed in reports…) are the ones with hearts. Thus, it seems most logical to conclude that the ability to feel directly correlates to the existence of a heart. One does not have the ability to feel if that one does not have a heart…which means Nobodies, beings supposedly composed of a body and soul, cannot feel because of the fact that they do not have hearts. Basically what I’m getting at is an extremely simple (and rather obvious, yet at the same time necessary) point: in a hypothetical situation in which Nobodies could feel, they would need to have a heart—or somehow have a connection to their heart. This is why determining whether or not Nobodies could gain the ability to feel is difficult: it is not easily proven that Nobodies have/can have hearts or that Nobodies have/could have a connection to their heart (with the exception of the exceptions, Roxas and Naminè).

There are so many ties (connections) to examine in order to attempt to prove the above…because of all the things emotion is tied to, it becomes very difficult to sort out the “mess” to get to the center. I guess you could think of each connection as a thread or string. Discussing memory, the soul, the spirit, and the heart is necessary…(argh. Why does this have to be so complicated?!)

Long story short for memory, the heart remembers. Memory is intrinsically connected to the heart. Just think back to Re:CoM…there are so many references to memory being connected to the heart it’s crazy. For example, Sora speaking to Peter in Neverland: “…Memories—even important ones—don’t come back to us whenever we want them to. But that doesn’t mean the memories are gone. It’s more like…like they’re sleeping. So when the right thing comes along and wakes the memory up, we can remember it. The memories engraved in our hearts never go away. I’m sure of it.”

And there’s a direct correlation between the loss of memories and losing one’s heart expressed when Vexen confronts Sora in Twilight Town (before Axel decides to stop Vexen from talking too much by eliminating his existence).

[If you really wanted to do some delving, the subject of promises and their connection to memory and the heart could also be examined. And then Riku Replica. And Xion…but I am not going to go into those discussions now.]

Anyway, as for the soul, it has three main faculties—

Intellect: the ability to think, reason, remember, etc.
Emotion: the ability to desire, to feel feelings
Will: the ability to choose, decide

And as for the spirit, it consists of three main functions—

Communion: the ability to know God’s love and to love God
Conscience: the ability to know God’s goodness from evil
Intuition: the ability to know God’s will from our own will

*note: of course KH doesn’t really take any of the functions of the spirit except for conscience into consideration. So for this discussion the spirit really only has one function: conscience.

[The soul and spirit information taken from Answers about The Human Body, Soul and Spirit . I still have much to research in regards to this. But so far as I have seen, their definitions are accurate…]

There is an issue with this. Nobodies are composed of souls and bodies. (And when I was rereading the Ansem Reports/Secret Ansem Reports a moment ago I discovered that apparently the spirit resides in the body. So…the heart, as I suspected, doesn’t correlate to either the soul or the spirit. It is a separate entity that somehow is tied directly to both.) If one of the main faculties of the soul is the ability to feel, why is it that the Nobodies are the ones without the ability to feel?

--I think the answer, simplified, is pretty much that without a heart being in the right place, the soul is somehow “distorted,” resulting in its faculties no longer being fully functional. The same would be true for the spirit. This makes sense if we are going with the theory that the heart is tied directly to both the soul and spirit…in being so intrinsically tied to both the soul and the spirit, the heart’s “misplacement” would clearly have an effect on both, right? Thus there would be an effect on both Nobodies and Heartless. With the Nobodies, it results in a lack of emotions and conscience (yet intellect and will are retained). With the Heartless, it results in a lack of intellect and will. Additionally, it would appear that the conscience is distorted as well because the Heartless just mindlessly collect hearts. To them, this is neither good nor evil; it is just what they do, without thought.
When the heart is taken out of its natural environment (meaning a Somebody is no longer a Somebody), it appears then that the connection to the soul and spirit [I should note that the soul and spirit are connected too] is not severed, but something more like impaired or slightly damaged…--

Well anyway, Nobodies have the capacity to remember. Some Nobodies, like Axel and Saix, remember what it was like to have a heart, to be able to feel. Going along with this train of thought…if they could summon their memories back, which are tied to their hearts, which are tied to their emotions through the connection theory I wrote about above (actually it’s more like all of them are tied together, connected like a ball of string…), they would be summoning their hearts back. It’s just a matter of being able to trigger the memories. In Axel’s case, Roxas and Sora were somehow able to trigger something that made Axel feel like he had a heart. I suspect that what was triggered was memories.

So yeah, I think Nobodies can gain the ability to feel. As I said, the ability to feel, in being so connected to the heart, consequently has a lot to do with memory. I tend to think of it almost like a Nobody calls back pieces of their heart (unknowingly) by remembering the links on their own chains of memories. If you call the true memories back to yourself, as Naminè said, you would be calling your heart back…because they are tied together.

Of course it is a little bit more complicated than that. Sorry ^_^’. I wrote way too much as it is.