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A Revelation About Ven!!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep' started by Mythril Roxas, Jul 10, 2009.

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  1. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    This explains nothing,
    Because 1st i wasn't talking about Ven being soras heartless
    and 2nd You nor I, Do not know anything about Ven
    so its not evidence, its your guess, therefore, what im saying is shut up, because you made no sense through your whole thing

    well buddy, they do split the keyblades, Nomura said so in an interview, and no Ven as well as aqua and Terra, have been very underground
    these days all we here from nomura is something like "the game is going well, im excited for it"


    Btw reasons on why people can duel weild so their won't be confusion

    hint SPOILERS


    Again its Spoilers down from this point stop reading

    Roxas-Able to duel wield *due to him absorbing Xion at the end of days

    Sora-Able to duel wieldbecause he abosorbed Roxas "who was using his keyblade" and He also Is weilding Xion's keyblade, Sense Roxas Absorbed Xion, and Sora Absorbed Roxas, he uses His and Xions keyblade
     
    Last edited: Jul 30, 2009
  2. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    its not all that different. He said the words "erase me". Can you erase a heart? that has yet to be seen. But what have we seen? we've seen memories being erased, like in CoM havent we? So isnt it more likely that he wants a piece of his memory to be erased than his heart? Yes, i think so. Why? I dont know, none of us know, therefore we'll just hav to wait and see.
    Now, Ven being the first heartless is very unlikely. Why? Because it wouldn't explain 2 things. The missing keychain on his keyblade, and him not using the powers of darkness in the battle in the secret ending scene. Also, he really doesnt come off as a dark character, Terra seems to have taken the Riku role in bbs. This is why I think your theory is not sufficient.
     
  3. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    i want to play with terra!
     
  4. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    -_- omg let me got to work

    actually it is

    MX said he was losing something, IM SAYING THAT SOMETHING IS HIS HEART, making him the first heartless/and or nobody, that just a guess, but actually makes sense
    seeing on how thats how heartless and nobody are usually made,

    while going against oh his hearts gets erased he is A UNBIRTH
    when you have no type of valid proof on that

    Blah blah blah

    Omg really? we don't know why he doesn't have a keychain, but that doesnt prevent him from being a heartless? It doesn't at all, that is stupid

    This whole thing showed me you know nothing about KH :/
    First off YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THE POWER OF DARKNESS TO BECOME A HEARTLESS!

    sora became one, guess what he uses the power of LIGHT, wtf?
    you don't have to be a dark character to become a heartless
    all you need is darkness in your heart
    and Unless ur a PoH or Someone with pure light in your heart
    Then you AUTOMATICALLY, have darkness in your heart Good or Evil
     
  5. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    sora used dark power in the seond one, his drak drive...But the power over darkness is something you can have with a ggod heart or a bad heart, as long as you know not to go to deep and become a heartless.
     
  6. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    1. If Ven was a Heartless he would've produced a Nobody. And from what we CURRENTLY KNOW, he doesnt have anything close. U could try to say Roxas, but we know thats not true because he is Sora's Nobody.

    2. this whole theory About Ven is nothing more than a theory. I realize that i have no proof, i realize that we dont know exactly what unbirths are, but my theory is that unbirths are exactly what their title states, they are unborn beings. my theory is that Ven is the unborn brother of Sora. A brother that Sora never knew, he only knew in his heart. Ven's existence bends the morals of time and space, and yet like all of us, he exists. I believe more of this will be explained in the game, the meaning behind the existence of the heartless and unbirths, and also thus nobodies. I really dont understand how Ven could ever be a heartless...

    3. Sora uses both light and darkness.
    4. u r taking to much of this like personally. this is a nice little debate we r having, but lets not be saying stupid crap like "oh u r stupid", or "omg", okay? Thats just immature.
     
  7. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    yes, yes it is, we should all debate in a friendly environment!
     
  8. The_Unknown_Master

    The_Unknown_Master New Member

    There is a difference between being confident and being arrogant, being confident means you beleive in your theory and try and explain it well. Where as being arrogant is more abraisive and rude. Arrogance for most people is a bad thing, you might be confusing it with confidence. I agree with Myrthril Roxas, quite a bit.
     
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  9. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    1) I said he would produce a heartless/nobody,

    2)Sora isn't roxas Nobody, Sora isn't even a freakin nobody? A nobody + a nobody can't happen
    Sora Is Roxas' heart, >.>

    3) I know he doesn't have anything freaking close, i said he would be the FIRST meaning, he would be the first heartless and/or nobody, so of course he wouldn't have one, since he could be the FIRST


    which is logical,

    S-E doesn't like family ties, so no, plus roxas has been born, how can he be an unborn brother,

    2) that means Sora's parents, which he doesn't seem to have a father that we heard of, would have to be from another world, which is not possible, plus in the past 4 games (Kh,Com,Kh2,Days) parents don't seem to have a role, so no, this makes no sense...

    if he never knew him, then he can't get into his heart..

    "nomura stated if you know who sora and roxas is, then you will know who ven is,

    this isn't a brotherly thing, family isn't important in KH, or it would have been stressed in the first game. Friends are important in this game

    No it doesn't, he existed 10 years before kh? how is that bending anything...


    SImple, he looses his heart to darkness and BAM, heartless ven, >.> like everyone else..duh?

    Sora does not use darkness >.>
    the only for of darkness is Anti-form,
    but Sora weild light in his favor, he can not control the darkness.
    He uses light as his weapon, where the heck do you think Roxas got the element of light? oh yea Sora...
    and if you didn't know, if you go into the proof of existence, It shows roxas element is light like SORA's
    Riku, weilds darkness. not sora, Riku, Not Sora..Riku weilds Darkness Sora Weilds LIGHT
    (repeating is a good way to learn)
    We do not know a character who can weild both..
    Not really actually, im just saying, you guys are not getting my theory, plus ^^^ that up there shows me how little you know about KH "Sora is Roxas' nobody" >.< "Sora weilds both darkness and light"


    Not confused at all, i know the difference sir.
    And I agree with him to an extent, but again he has no proof, like he just says it VEN IS A UNBIRTH!
    but how is he an unbirth?
    atleast when i say Ven, is a heartless, i have logic behind it. though again i do not believe Ven is a Heartless,
    its just better than saying he is an UNBIRTH, and not know what an unbirth is
     
    Last edited: Jul 30, 2009
  10. The_Unknown_Master

    The_Unknown_Master New Member

    1. He never said Sora was a nobody. He said Roxas was Sora's Nobody.

    2. When I said I agree with him I didn't meen the theory. You need to learn to be coarse when you debate.
     
  11. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    he sure didnt ;p

    2) and also i agree with that, maybe one people start making sense around here, and not throw theories out with no type of support
     
  12. The_Unknown_Master

    The_Unknown_Master New Member

    Just cause people say something that doesn't make sense doesn't give you an excuse to be rude. And he didn't, read it again.
     
  13. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    correct, but it does give me the right to prove them wrong :D, and i usually do, you guys take it as if im saying it rude, but im really not
     
  14. King of Darkness

    King of Darkness What up Monica

    Ven most likely loses his memory like when MX says "You haven't permanantly lost it *blah blah blah*" Namine also tells Sora you don't lose memories because there still there in your heart etc. And when Xigbar speaks to Zexion, he talks about how Xemnas goes to the room of *I think* awakening and in that room is Aqua's armor. Then Xigbar goes on to suggest that Castle Oblivion is where Xemnas' other 'friend' is *Ven*. In the castle is the room of sleep and Ven's armor *well maybe armor* and what does the castle do to Sora??? Makes him lose his memories, granted Namine does that but nonetheless.
     
  15. The_Unknown_Master

    The_Unknown_Master New Member

    There is the problem your arrogant about it, you try and show people that your right and then rub it in their faces. You insult them quite a bit as well. So you are saying something rude.
     
  16. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    This is my first theory, because it makes the most sense, and i like how you actually SUPPORTED, your theory >.>

    but im thinking Ven lost his memory, I think that he lost his memories, but not permanently (haha like MX said) they went to his heart, those memories some how got to Sora, thus roxas image is made from those memories in sora's heart, that belong to ven :D

    still doesn't explain how they got to sora tho :/

    1st don't tell me what i do,
    2nd i do not rub it in anyones face, people say something like "Riku did not give Kairi that keyblade" what i then do is provide the proof, then here goes with the "its still kairi's keyblade she can use it", then thats when this arrogance comes to play, and i prove them wrong, by trying to help people out im arrogant, maybe you guys should learn more?
     
  17. King of Darkness

    King of Darkness What up Monica

    um, thanks?

    Sora probably got 'em when Aqua erased Ven. But not completely and *IdK how* they got to Sora.

    OR

    If Ven is in Castle Oblivion, or something from him, maybe when Sora was sleeping, Namine may have accidently merged Ven's memories with Sora's.
     
  18. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    :D ur welcome

    and

    2nd one is impossible, because roxas was already born when sora was sleeping,
    so idk haha :D
    maybe sora was dying, and he got a heart transplant from ven, and he is now running around with ven's heart in his body with his memories haha( not serious )
     
  19. King of Darkness

    King of Darkness What up Monica

    i'm sorry but i lol'd at the heart transplant
     
  20. The_Unknown_Master

    The_Unknown_Master New Member

    1st: I never told you what to do
    2nd: By definition Arrogance: offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride. So you just admitted to being rude.
     
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