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Some of my Theories

Discussion in 'Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep' started by Dark_Oblivon, Aug 5, 2009.

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  1. Dark_Oblivon

    Dark_Oblivon New Member

    Ok, so to start off. Based on trailers and lines already known, we can kind of tell that Master Xehanort has done something to Ven. What that is, we do not known yet. I believe it has something to do with his heart. In a scene at the Olympus Colosseum, Master Xehanort says, "It seems that your losing it..but you haven't lost it yet." I believe he is either referring to...

    A.) His Heart (if he has one)
    B.) The ability to lose the keyblade, based on what has happened to him.

    If it happens to be B, that could also lead to the comment Ven made on the Islands, saying "Erase me" to someone. Who, we do not know. He could feel that he is useless now, and will only be a burden in the way of Terra and Aqua, so he feels he must be eliminated completely. But, who is Ven in essence? It is possible that the reason he looks similar to Roxas is because when Ven asked to be erased, if it was Terra, then he couldn't do it, as Ven had saved him sometime earlier. So, instead of erasing him, he placed Ven's spirit inside a boy, to preserve him. This boy would be Sora.

    However, Ven would have no recollection to anything in his life, and become just a soul in Sora, living on. Eventually, in Hollow Bastion, Sora released his heart, and somehow, Ve's as well. Ven formed, having no idea who or what he was. Neither did Xemnas, which is why his name became Roxas. This could also be a reason why Roxas/Ven could use the Keyblade, because he had the power to wield it in his former life.




    Next part of the Theory's - The Dark Soldier

    From what we know as of now, the Soldier is seen next to Xehanort most of the time in scenes and clips. We have also seen that the Dark Soldier has formed from Master Xehanort himself. Could this lead to the fact that The Dark Soldier is an Unbirth? Due to lack of information on the subject, I can't tell you. In one of the scnes, Master Xehanort says "Correct my Mistake!" to someone while the Apprentice is nearby. Could this refer to the Apprentice, or someone else.

    Next - Terra

    Could Malifecent be tricking Terra like she did Riku? In a scene, it shows Malificent outside a thorned castle (Aurora perhaps), with terra behind her. She looks at him, terra looks down, and she laughts. Could Terra be trying to save Ven using her help.

    Also, in KH2FM+, when you fight Terra, he says something along the lings of "You weren't the one...Why is it not him?" Could this refer to Ven, as if Terra is saying "Why is not here...Why are you holding the Keyblade?"


    Edit -- New Part of Theroy

    When Ven is fighting the Dark Apprentice in the 2009 trailer, it cuts to where Master Xehanort says this,

    "Those who submit to darkness are not qualified to wield the keyblade. Already, that man is a monster infused with darkness. Use your power to defeat the darkness and correct my mistake!"

    I believe this leads to the point that Master Xehanort is talking about Ven. Master X(I'm just going to use X) managed to hurt Ven using darkness. Ven is losing his keyblade, because the darkness is beginning to take over his heart, mind, and soul. I think that Master Xehanort is actually afraid of Ven for what he could become, so he's trying to Terra (whom I believe he says those lines to) and his Apprentice to try and kill Ven before the darkness fully takes over.

    This could lead to Ven asking to be erased by someone. Ven knows what he could become based on what has happened, and doesn't want to hurt his friends. Terra, feeling that he can't do that to Ven, do to Maleficent for help. Malifecent, however, tricks Terra and somehow ends up fighting Aqua (who could have possibly been somewhere near Terra at the time). When the trio realize that there is no way to end it, they decide to confront Master X and his apprentice in one final showdown, to see if that will save Ven. Ven is frozen, and Master Xehanort opens a Kingdom Hearts kind of symbol in the sky. I think he is trying to use that power to protect himself even more so than he is, however, he is later killed by the trio.

    Terra finally decides to erase Ven, but not permanently. He places the soul of Ven inside a young boy he has seen on Destiny Islands, Sora. And then, just read above for after that.
     
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2009
  2. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    well...it's soild, kinda, it has it's bad parts and good parts, the earse me part, we still dont understand, but if treraa went to malfacnait to erase ven and put his soul in sora then that would make a little bit of sense. but other than that it's good, but like i said, a little bad as well, maybe i'll elaborate later.
     
  3. VentusSearcher

    VentusSearcher Steam is the only way....

    i think all of it is right
     
  4. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    To tell you the truth, I can accept this theory. The only problem I have is the apprentice part. HOw can the apprentice be a unbirth when he has a heartless symbol on him?
     
  5. Dark_Oblivon

    Dark_Oblivon New Member


    Really? I never noticed the symbol.
     
  6. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    Lets see if i can be nice this time around....


    No, we don't know if he has personally did anything to Ven, he could knocked him out or something, he could just be trying to psych him out

    or memories...but heart is good
    um he has a heart, or he wouldn't be able to wield a keyblade >.>
    don't try to say he could be a nobody, nobodies didn't exist then..

    Um noo, how would he lose the ability..

    Its obviously aqua,

    maybe

    i can go with this


    Wrong
    1) Roxas and Ven are two different people, confirmed by nomura
    2)Sora only released 2 hearts Kairis and His own. confirmed by nomura
    3)He got his named, from being apart of Sora, Roxas= Sora with an X in it mixed around..

    Um no, He is soras nobody thats the reason why he can weild a keyblade, nothing to do with Ven




    Next part of the Theory's - The Dark Soldier

    From what we know as of now, the Soldier is seen next to Xehanort most of the time in scenes and clips. We have also seen that the Dark Soldier has formed from Master Xehanort himself.
    No, i doubt it, hes an failed experiment, plus i highly doubt an Unbirth can weild a keyblade..

    um Dude the apprentice was right next to xehanort, yea he was talking about it -___-..also he said this man (refering to apprentice..)

    Next - Terra

    possibly
    This battle is non cannon and has nothing to do with the story..nomura confirmed


    Edit -- New Part of Theroy

    [/QUOTE]When Ven is fighting the Dark Apprentice in the 2009 trailer, it cuts to where Master Xehanort says this,

    "Those who submit to darkness are not qualified to wield the keyblade. Already, that man is a monster infused with darkness. Use your power to defeat the darkness and correct my mistake!"[/QUOTE]

    talking about Apprentice..wtf are ulooking at...Hi
    worthless and wrong :/
    He was talking to Ven, not talking ABOUT ven, Mx's apprentice knocked ven down, and thats when MX said "those who submit to darknes.blah blah blah"..so this is way wrong

    ...To many big assumptions..
    plus that still doesn't add up to why where all three of them fighting MX in the end, Nomura already said the Secret Trailer at the end of KH2 is pretty much then end of BBS...
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2009
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  7. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    i was was going to say some of that but i didn't want to write all that like you did. and the secert tralier, i dont usderstand if that's the end they lost very bad, but mickey was there.
     
  8. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    something tells me that they do lose..thats how they all died/got erased..and why Xehanort is stilla round
     
  9. Dark_Oblivon

    Dark_Oblivon New Member

    Alright. I respect your response, but I want to question your ideas.

    Therios are about assumptions based on what we know. How can there be to many assumptions?


    You can assume something has happened to Ven's heart. Terra eve said "What have you done to his heart?!" I don't think he would say that if Ven was merely Knocked Out



    We don't know that Master Xehanort is talking about the Apprentice, so don't go questioning where I'm looking at. Do you have proof that is whehn Master X is saying that he can't wield the keyblade, Do you know that's the same scene as Ven fighting the Dark Apprentice. Terra was talking to Master X at the same spot.


    Last i checked, not many game trailers put the end of a game, big spoilers, in the end of the trailer? It might be towards the end, but why would the trailer spoil the end of the game. Really, tell me why?
     
  10. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    my ideas are more lets say accurate then urs.

    well thats true, but ur assumptions are pretty wild and wouldn't make sense.


    Ok first off, Ven wasn't aroudn when terra said that, you misunderstood what i was saying
    When Ven got knocked down(not OUT) by MX"s apprentice(TERRA WAS NOT AROUND LET ME REMIND YOU), Is when MX said "Those who submit to darkness are not qualified to wield the keyblade. Already, that man is a monster infused with darkness. Use your power to defeat the darkness and correct my mistake!"..He was talking to Ven, who was laying on the ground..while Mx's apprentice was walking toward Ven,who let me remind you waso n the ground..

    When terra said what have you done with his heart. Im sure he was talking about ven



    Now let me ask yout his question how do you know its the same spot? The background is different

    First off read a NOmura interview..then come talk to me, because nomura said that is pretty much the ending
     
  11. Dark_Oblivon

    Dark_Oblivon New Member

    Ok, before I go on, I want to say one thing. Saying that your ideas are more accurate than mine, when you are going off your ideas, is completely stupid. Ok, now onto what I have to say.

    1. Tell me, in a calm manner, without capping (which I consider screaming), how my Ideas are completely wild, when we have a three minute trailer to use.

    2. I never said that Ven and Terra were even near each other when Master Xehanort said that. They are in the same world, to be specific. Sandstorm, rock bluffs, all off that. So, tell me, how do you know Master Xehanort says that to Ven. Tell me that, please. Enlighten me.

    Further more, on the same topic, Why would Master Xehanort want his apprentice killed? Why? I want to know why you think Master Xehanort wants his ally killed.

    Also, let me quote you on something. This is from your first post

    And this, is from your second post

    Your changing your ideas, and it's very confusing.


    And I don't agree that it is the end of the game. Link me to said interview. Are you sure it's not "near the end?" Why would a game end on that note? Really, why?
     
  12. Dark_Oblivon

    Dark_Oblivon New Member

    Ok, before I go on, I want to say one thing. Saying that your ideas are more accurate than mine, when you are going off your ideas, is completely stupid. Ok, now onto what I have to say.

    1. Tell me, in a calm manner, without capping (which I consider screaming), how my Ideas are completely wild, when we have a three minute trailer to use.

    2. I never said that Ven and Terra were even near each other when Master Xehanort said that. They are in the same world, to be specific. Sandstorm, rock bluffs, all off that. So, tell me, how do you know Master Xehanort says that to Ven. Tell me that, please. Enlighten me.

    Further more, on the same topic, Why would Master Xehanort want his apprentice killed? Why? I want to know why you think Master Xehanort wants his ally killed.

    Also, let me quote you on something. This is from your first post

    And this, is from your second post

    Your changing your ideas, and it's very confusing.


    And I don't agree that it is the end of the game. Link me to said interview. Are you sure it's not "near the end?" Why would a game end on that note? Really, why?
     
  13. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    *Yawns*
    `1) no i won't tell you in a calmer manner because i am calm, CAPPING IS WHAT I DO

    Not changing my ideas IDIOT.
    thats two different thing

    Ven was on the ground when MX said the things about "those who submit to darknes.blah blah blah"..TERRA WAS NOT AROUND. or im pretty dam sure he wouldn't allow MX's apprentice to mess up his "friend" like that<< are you loving the caps..

    when i said this

    "No, we don't know if he has personally did anything to Ven, he could knocked him out or something, he could just be trying to psych him out"

    I was going against what you said, you said some dumb shit like we KNOW, Mx did something to Ven by looking at the trailers..um No we don't, He could be losing something by himself without MX doing anything to him..>.>, Mx could just trying to depress Ven by saying things like "you have lost something dear to you blah blah blah"
    get it? got it? READ IT!

    but i have no problem with the rest of your theory
    Its when you said
    Ven and Roxas are the same person, Ven just forgot who he was..thats stupid
    if you Reserach, Nomura said. Ven and Roxas are TWO DIFFERENT people kiddo.
    so they couldn't be the same person...thanks
     
  14. Dark_Oblivon

    Dark_Oblivon New Member


    It's people like you that literally make me rip my hair out.

    Stfu, please, just do it.


    I never said Terra was nearby! My god, it's the same area. When Terra and Master X was talking, that could be before or after the incedent. Never did I say, "Terra was right next to Ven watching his friend get a whopping." No, I did not. So, don't call me an idiot when you can't read what I'm posting. And thank you from upholding my wish on capping. You are one amazing person.

    And on the Ven, Roxas stuff. If you would like me to post a 17 paragraph explanation, i will. However, and I have a life, so I will do it in a simple matter.

    Ven's spirit is inside Sora. When Sora released his heart in Hollow Bastion, Roxas was formed. However, Ven, wanting to become free, ended up creating an exact replica of himself as Sora's nobody, Roxas.
     
  15. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    im sorry i can prove you wrong without even trying =)..its what i usually do
    you got let off easy..but now you are in my part of the woods.(though the mod is Rawr So Its really his terriotry :p)
    ALl these nice people like Answer Man and Axel just agreed with your little lame theory
    WELL, im not one to say OH ITS GOOD..NO IF IT SOUNDS STUPID. I WILL REACT you have to have an explination for eveyr LITTLE thing



    .
    Dude im not just amazing im Epic =p, but i i do agree now, i didn't see before, but it is the same area so you got me there buddy.

    .
    You write a 17 paragraph explanation..ill write a 2 sentence expllanation so how wrong it is..that simple

    .
    in your original post you said it was the same person or hold on let me go copy and paste


    "However, Ven would have no recollection to anything in his life, and become just a soul in Sora, living on. Eventually, in Hollow Bastion, Sora released his heart, and somehow, Ve's as well. Ven formed, having no idea who or what he was. Neither did Xemnas, which is why his name became Roxas."

    VEN AND ROXAS ARE NOT THE SAME PEOPLE (;

    btw
    MX: "Those who submit to darkness. Are no qualified to weild the keyblade,Already That MAN is a monster infused with darkness, use your power to defeat darkness, and correct my mistake"

    1) This MAN, im pretty sure Ven is a BOY, around sora's age..not a MAN
    2) The plot of the game is to find/locate Mx and his missing apprentice..Im pretty sure Mx did some tests on his apprentice and infused him with darkness. which brings me to three
    3)Who looks more like they have been infused with darkness, Ven or Dark Soilder, say Ven and you might as well not post :D
    4) correct his mistake, Im pretty sure Ven isn't his mistake, DS came out of MX in the KH2 secret ending..So yea im pretty sure he is talking about DS being the one that needs to be destroyed..
     
  16. Dark_Oblivon

    Dark_Oblivon New Member

    Thank you for completly skimming my point of why Master Xehanort would want his apprentice killed
     
  17. Dark_Oblivon

    Dark_Oblivon New Member

    Thank you for completly skimming my point of why Master Xehanort would want his apprentice killed
     
  18. Pheeny

    Pheeny New Member

    Okay, so I've just signed up yes, but I have a lot of experience with message boards, and I'm a fan of the game.

    Anyway, Oblivion does make some good points, and bad points yes.

    However, and correct me if I'm wrong in any way.

    I was under the impression that posting theories was to produce new opinions on what could happen. I believe that Oblivion may have a more creative mind then some other yes, but from what I gather there are a lot of loose ends game designers and producers can play with.

    Isn't the point of a video game to throw in twists and turns no one would suspect to keep the attention of the audience?

    I don't see why you have to continue this pointless battle. So he wants to show people the theories he has about the game, and have people comment on what they think is wrong or right...remind him of a couple minor details.

    He shouldn't be crucified for posting ideas that he has. Yes, we understand you don't agree with his ideas, but you don't need to reinforce the aspect. Especially with the fact that you think your ideas are more accurate.

    When posting ideas, none are accurate. Unless you have access to see what is coming out in the game's future, you cannot put your ideas up against his and say your's are better.

    I'm also loving how you called him an idiot. Nice cyber attack on your part. You must feel so tough attacking someone over a video game theory.

    I don't see how you have any foot to stand on. I believe you're just making yourself look like a jerk instead of having a decent debate and showing him what is wrong with his ideas in a collected manner.

    Be mature for once.
     
  19. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    oh sorry, Thank you for not answeirng any of my questions or i would be forced to do further damage. =)
    Because he made a mistake? Or He Could Be Trying To Again Psych Ven out? Or because killing/destroying/releasing his apprentice may be part of some "master plan"(somehting like Org 13's plan for Sora)( i can actually throw in a Days spoiler that would strengthen my argument, but then that owuldn't be right) . I Don't exactly know, but then again It seems like Mx wants something from Ven. So why would he have his apprentice kill ven?
     
  20. Dark_Oblivon

    Dark_Oblivon New Member

    First, I want to thank the person above for your support.


    Now, back to theories. Master X may want something from Ven. Could it be "His Heart?" Terra asks what he as done to 'his' heart, and Master X says he is losing it.



    Is it his heart? I do not know
     
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