Abortion

The baby is attached, but not a definant part of the mother. It has different DNA (I'm sure you all knew that).

 

Yes desert warrior but what I have said is that if it was not for the womb then the body would reject the baby because it sees the baby as an invader therefore the body knows it is it's own being. So pro-choice people can't say "The woman has the choice to do what she wants with her body" because the baby is'nt part of their body.

So there, it's not a choice. If the body sees the baby as a seperate being then the woman has no right to decide the fate of that being.

 

But the baby is the child of the mothers, correct? And what if the parent want to the best thing for the child, maybe say abort it so, he or she won't have to grow up in proverty, suffer the same fate as the mother or father, or don't have to deal with everyday problems.

 

Yukou you are letting emotions get in the way of truth.

There have been cases where mothers murder their children for similar reasons. That kind of thinking may signify a chemical imbalance of the brain/ mental illness.

Millions of people go through problems everyday. Should we kill them?

In America everyone is supposed to be born with equal oppurtunity. I live with a poor mother but that does'nt keep me down. I plan to get involved in public office so I can help this country. I never once wished I had been aborted.

I'm only 16 but and i'm my mother's child yet does she have the right to kill me? No.

Facts are facts. The baby is not a part of the mother's body so she has no right to decide the fate of a another being.

 

i believe abortion should be legalized...kinda. if a woman is married in her 20s and can support herself, then that's where it shouldn't be legal. but if a girl is raped and gets pregnant, then in that case yes it should be legal. another reason is alot of women are dying on the streets by having other people on the streets give them DIY abortion aka "back alley abortions' which is dangerous and unsanitary

 

As I said before, if it was not for the womb the body would reject the baby cause it sees it as an invader. The body does'nt even recognize the baby as part of the body. The body sees the baby as a seperate being from the mother.

So in truth the mother has not right to decide the fate of a seperate being which is what the baby is.

Now in the case of rape, rape accounts for less than 9% of abortions and the chances of getting pregnant through rape are only slightly higher than that. So it's a small majority. Besides once the mother gives birth she can give the baby up for adoption.

Now don't go and say that orphans are treated bad. That may be true in some cases but I know people who were orphans and they are happy.

The point of making abortion illegal shows that we as a country do not allow the murder of innocent babies.

According to the costitution everyone is entitled to Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If we do not honor life then we are betraying the constitution.

Roe vs Wade was a case decided on false facts and left wing radical politcal activism. So in truth it's not really valid case.

Abortion was a thing that the Nazi's used. Are we really going to stoop to the level of Hitler?

A baby is a gift. I look forward to the day that i'm a father and have my own baby.

Another thing is that women are aborting their babies when some women can't even have a baby.

Someone has to protect the unborn. One congressman is writing a bill to give the baby human rights from the moment of conception. As a future politician I plan on making banning abortion the center of my political work. I believe that one day soon we will see a ban on abortion.

As I have stated in the facts I have presented abortion is not a choice. The woman has no right over the fate of her seperate from her body child.

 

Wait I don't understand. whos geting an abortion?

 

On that lil' point I have to point out that although Hitler's scientists and doctors did some fucked up things, they also helped define a lot of meaningful things. They were scientists that weren't held down by the morals of society and experimented on whatever. Now they did do some very cruel things, but without them some things we have wouldn't exist.

That's great! But you're not everyone. I believe abortion is a choice -but like I stated before- only in rape cases should it be allowed. Stupid teenagers who forget protection can have the bab(y)ies and put them up for adoption, thus learning their damn lesson.

Someone, yes. But that duty falls onto the mother that carries it. Hence the problem you see. There do need to be laws regulating abortion so that people don't abort during the third trimester (just an example). It doesn't need to be banned because that's removing a choice, like the choice to bear arms.

 

You miss the point. It does'nt matter what someone feels. The law is'nt decided by empathy or emotions.

I have stated multiple times this: The body sees the baby as a seperate being. If it was not for the womb the body would reject the baby. If the body does not recognize the baby as part of the mother's body then what right does the mother have to kill a seperate being? None.

The baby is a seperate being from the mother therefore she has no right to kill it. That is a fact. When it comes to the law facts are all that matters.

And don't say that it's her baby so she can kill it. Because if you say that then you open up the possibility of mothers being able to kill their babies from ages 0 - 3.

 

Uhh... What are you talking about? When did emotions come into this? And it does in a way. Laws start not because some used logic, but someone was effected by an event and their emotions spurred them forth to ask a law to be written.

Yes you have repeated yourself. I'm not illiterate. What is the point of stating that fact? It doesn't make sense to bring it in. At least not to me. It's like bringing up how we shouldn't kill other animals because they're separate beings, even if they kill people.

Knew that one was gunna come. First lemme refer you here ==>http://kh-3.net/forums/debates/835-abortion-126.html

Read that real quick.

Common sense should dictate a lot of things. Late trimester abortions are wrong because how close the baby is to fully being developed and leaving the womb. However early abortions are alright by me due to the fact that the baby is only a husk. There is no consciousness. It's only living because of it's basic functions.

 

But the baby is alive and has human DNA. That seperates it from an animal or anything else. Because it contains human DNA, pro-life people consider it to be a human.

Let's face it on this certain issue the two sides will never agree but I believe the pro-life side will win this battle in the end and pro-choice people will loose this battle.

For the first time in 30 years the majority of Americans identify themselves as being pro-life. So the pro-life movement is becoming stronger than pro-choice.

 

I could say "so long as this is America pro-choice will win" but that'd be arrogent and over barring. It's pointless to say things like that due to the fact that no one will win. Just like all conflict it will stay.

Now yes the baby is alive on a "it's breathing, eating and has a heart beat" level. The DNA defense is pointless. We're no better than the monkey's that live in trees. Hell we're worse because we live outside the natural order and destroy things because we see fit.

Oh, and we don't preform abortions on animals, at least I don't think so yes it separates us. It proves more to the fact that we as a species are disgusting.

I don't care if it's human life or a mountain goats life. (Which seems silly because goats don't talk =P) But I think you get the point. I would hope at least.

 

You know I was once a pro-choice person myself but then I found out all the stuff you here about how abortion is not murder was all a lie. Now I am pro-choice because I know the facts and I have seen an aborted baby. I looked at it and I know it's a baby. Where is your proof?

 

Good for you. So you had a change in opinion. Whoopie.

I know very well that abortion is a type of murder. If people wanna soil their hands like that let them. You mean pro-life don't you? Because other wise you're sentence doesn't make sense. I've seen pictures of aborted babies too. My proof is that the most brain activity you are going to see from a developing fetus is little to zero until it gets a heart and then lungs.

 

ya see, I don't believe that abortion is a type of murder. For it to be murder it has to be alive. Myself and a lot of other pro-choice believe that the baby is alive at birth. Thus pre-birth means the baby is not alive. How can you murder something that is not living?

 

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You're talking socially it's not alive. It hasn't met people, it hasn't begun to interact in the world so it's fine to kill it off. I don't agree with this because people can turn around and say the same thing for babies who are out of the womb. I know what you mean and I know that you'd probably say: "But it's out of the womb so its alive so they can't kill it. That's wrong!" Well people would say the same about late abortions which you are saying are perfectly fine. You're saying it doesn't matter that the baby is fully developed as long as it's in the womb it's killable. Just because something doesn't interact with the outside world doesn't mean it's alright to kill it.

Now you might say to me: "But Hare, what I'm saying isn't so much different from what you were saying!" True, but there is a line. After a certain point the baby is self sustainable. However until the nine months is fully up, the cells do not fully complete their construction of the baby. Hence you getting babies born early with disfunctions.

My stand is so long as the baby is only maintaining basic functions (breathing, digesting food, heart beat, etc.) then and only then should that be the period in which the baby is in the right area for abortion, but once the it shows signs of ... Oh, I don't know say moving its arms, kicking, etc. Then it is too late for the abortion and the parent must continue on with the pregnancy.

As much as I am pro-choice, if my girl friend got pregnant I wouldn't want her to have an abortion. If it wasn't my child, I still wouldn't want her to have an abortion.

 

I am not disagreeing with you opinion at all. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I can see your point.

But, men don't understand the physical and emotion distress it puts on a woman..If she is young, she'll have to leave school. Her emotions go off the wall.

Yes, a baby is a gift. I wish to have on myself...but if i were to get pregnant now. i'd have no choice. I don't want the child to grow up knowing it's mother couldn't raise it.

I don't have a job. and around here it is hard. The pursuit of happiness...i'd be happy not having a child..Life...i want to live on without being weighed down with a child..it can be intepreted many ways.


But, it's the womans body...she has a right to it and the government has no decision in what she does with it

Again, women are dying on the street from having these back alley abortions. is it really worth it???

 

I'm going to touch this point real quick. Yes the woman carries the body but a point I'm sure Soul would point out is that the womb carries the babies body. So there for it's not your body alone. Yes you carry it but who defends the child.

That's when I have to point out that it's the mother who is supposed to defend the baby and it's best interests. Killing it doesn't seem like the best way, but it's an option all should have. No the government should not decide and that I agree with. Hence why I'm pro-choice. It's the woman's choice in the end to decide the fate of her child.

(Now I feel like I'm debating with myself.)

 

i dont think a woman should have an abortion when she's like 6 months pregnant, no. I'm AM being a hypocrite. But, I'm going to be blunt


Do you remember being in your mom's womb...no, you have no sense of what's going on..