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KH BBS: Connections

Discussion in 'Archive' started by Tsukiyomi, Dec 2, 2009.

  1. Tsukiyomi

    Tsukiyomi Shinto's Moon God

    This is a discussion about the connections between Roxas and Ventus and Riku and Vanitas from Birth Buy Sleep. Here are the connections.

    Roxas and Ven:
    Same hair
    same eyes
    same voice
    half of his costume is Roxas's
    able to use keyblade

    Riku and Vanitas:
    same voice
    same build
    keyblades have kind of the same design
    both wear dark suits
    both fell into darkness

    See the similarites? I do.
     
  2. Soul Knight

    Soul Knight Guest

    My guess is that Ven later has part of himself enter Sora's heart and this causes Roxas to look like Ven.

    I still can't come up with an explanation for Vanitas and Riku's connections.
     
  3. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    Ven and Roxas both have connections with sora, how ven does i have no clue, but Nomura has stated if "If we know who Sora and Roxas are, then we know who Ven is" soft quote

    Riku and Vanitas' connection is hidden. they have both been controlled by a being named Xehanort. They both wear the dark suites. They both seem to use darkness as an element, but i don't think they are directly connected
     
  4. Tsukiyomi

    Tsukiyomi Shinto's Moon God

    Hmm, thats true. But I do think Xehanort from today's games and Vanitas have a connection.
     
  5. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    Random ideas about Sora and Ven (Don't bother going into deep details about how they're probably wrong. I'm just posting these as they enter my mind).

    Sora is Ven reincarnated.

    Sora ate Ven's soul.

    Sora is Ven's clone.

    It is all a gigantic coincidence.


    And Vanitas... Is he the 'dark soldier' we see alongside Xehanort?
     
  6. Tsukiyomi

    Tsukiyomi Shinto's Moon God

    Yes he is. His name means 'vanity' and also 'nothingness'. Are you guys seeing it?
     
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2009
  7. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    ha well ill do it anyway because im bored

    Impossible, sora is already alive before ven died/disappeared

    Souls can't be eaten haha, though i would think this is interesting to look at

    Or not haha..
     
  8. Tsukiyomi

    Tsukiyomi Shinto's Moon God

    Those are some major points.
     
  9. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    You missed one. The gigantic coincidence.
     
  10. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    Dannnng it haha i knew i was missing something
    well yea it could all be a giant coincidence
    haha maybe Roxas doesn't look like ven, maybe they have a different shade of blonde hair
     
  11. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    well maybe ven really is like sora half brother or soras light made into a shape of a human, if nobody s can have human forms and there made for darkness than so could light. maybe. but then that wouldn't explain why ven has darkness in him would it? also maybe ven is like a friend to sora and sora's memories just made him.
     
  12. Tsukiyomi

    Tsukiyomi Shinto's Moon God

    Hmm, I like your half-brother theory.
     
  13. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    Why do you insist on saying this, I've ripped it apart a million times, and its less likely to be that..so please drop it

    umm that made no sense at all.. sora is sora's light, or his sora's friends is his light..

    >.> nobodies are neither light or dark..

    Umm EVERYONE has darkness within them.....

    WTF >.>..memories can't make a person, they make a heart..not a being...and im pretty sure Ven and sora never met..
     
  14. Tsukiyomi

    Tsukiyomi Shinto's Moon God

    You bring up a good argument but I just have to say that Xion was made out of memories.
     
  15. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    >.> Not necessarily there is a difference i do believe
     
  16. Answer Man

    Answer Man Man I'm Awesome

    i dont know, i was bored so i just put some different threoys. maybe there is no connection, maybe really ven had a nobody and it was put in sora. that would explain why roxas has a keyblade, and also why xemnes knows roxas, cuz nobody's resemble there human body's. so maybe some how ven had a nobody the first one maybe and they put him inside sora. maybe that's why the first members know roxas as ven and sora as ven cuz they where alike. maybe?
     
  17. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    There was no difference, it was the same things you always post >.>

    Impossible. Nobodies weren't even around during the time of BBS..idk how many times i told you that >.<

    t
    No we know the reason why he has a keyblade..because he is SORA'S nobody. We also no why he has to because he absorbed Xion
    no we already know how Xemnas knows roxas.. dude do you even think before you type..

    .
    I will say it again, because repetition is how you learn. it is impossible for there to be a nobody in BBS time
    The first members don't know roxas as ven, they know roxas as someone who can help them with their main goal, and as the nobody of the keyblade master Sora..
    Secondly, they didn't even meet sora till Kh2...Plus there isn't even anything in any of the games that mention sora and ven EVER.

    did you even play the games >.<
     
  18. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    They say Nobodies are shells of darkness. That's what the game says.

    Except the PoH. But still, I find that to be bull**** about everybody having darkness in them. Surely there should be more people who don't have darkness in them.

    Not impossible. Had the creation of heartless started during BBS time, then we'd have nobodies there. Just because they aren't there doesn't mean it is impossible for them to have been there.

    They could know them as both. Isn't Braig a boss fight for Terra, Ven, and Aqua? Or is he a boss fight for just one of them. And isn't there a picture of Ven talking to Xaldin's and Lexaus' somebodies?

    To the Organization, they might not have bothered with any Roxas/Ven connection. But I'm sure that at least the original six were aware of whatever connection they share.
     
  19. x3pic

    x3pic I'll Kill You.

    As soon as a nobody is created, they instantly vanish from the Realm of LIght. They are usually born in worlds that are inbetween both Light and Darkness, words like Twilight Town, Castle Oblivion and The World That Never Was. because of However, this and their flaw of not having are, they don't truley exist, something that doesn't exist can't have darkness and light. Therefore there is no light or dark in them. They are just nothingness

    Actually no, that would sort of rip the game apart. The first game revolves around this factor. BBS makes the connection on this factor. Only a selected few have pure hearts. Dakness even if its no huge lurks in every heart, even those who walk in the realm of light.


    Actually its way Impossible, Its confirmed that Heartless don't show up in the game Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep, There are no heartless at all. None. Now to even have beings called nobodies in BBS, we would need heartless. which heartless aren't in BBS so there are no nobodies, making it impossible
    The first members know VEN, not roxas. Roxas isn't created till 10 years and some months after the events of BBS. Before that they haven't even met Sora. We know that because Xibar sort of hints at it in KH2 when he first met sora. Now they may know roxas a ven thats fine, but not sora. Plus on top of that we know Xibar knows the old Keyblade masters, and we know he knows ven from what happened on BBS.
    Xibar knows the connection.. I know this for a fact.
     
  20. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    What I mean is that it isn't impossible because of heartless. Had they been created during BBS time, we'd have nobodies. If it truely were impossible, then we wouldn't have heartless. I get what you're saying. So don't worry.

    I think all 6 original members know the connection. And, if they show the somebody form of all 12 members, then all of Organization XIII (Without Roxas) would know of the connection.
     

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