Death Penalty?

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth I was expressing how I took your opinion, because to me when someone says they are against the death penalty it seems to me that they don't take the feelings of the victims family seriously.

Okay if revenge does not satisfy families of victim's then how do we as a society satisfy the victim's family. Like what if the husband becomes bitter and angry, does he not have a right to spend the rest of his life like that? So how do we find as a society fix help this man? How do we help his children?

The only solution I see is revenge.

 

I never said society had to "fix" him, people who lose their loved ones has every right to be bitter, it's jsut society needs to feel sorry for them and give them some kind of compansation for his lose, of course it wont bring the loved one back but it will show him society cares.

Okay then, instead of letting criminals just live in a tiny cell, I say we torture them day and night and make them beg to die but not let them die. Who cares about torturing prisoners? They should have no rights, I don't consider them people anyways.

 

But criminals are not innocent people. See this is what I don't understand about what you just said, why should we care about a murderer? They didn't care about their victim so why should we ever show any sympathy or mercy toward the killer? Why do you care about whether they are tortured or not?

 

Yeah but that sinking to their level stuff, isn't that just some hippy thing about world peace and everyone being feminist pansies and all that made up junk they came up with while doped up?

Now you bring up an important issue I can agree with you on. I absolutely think that innocent people in prison is a tragedy but that is why I would only allow torture if we were 100% sure the convicted person killed someone.

 

Yes I do complain that humanity is evil and this issue is one example why. I think that if we don't kill or torture a killer it's unfair to the victim's family, and I believe that to be an injustice.

Look you misunderstand how I see people. People who are innocent are not equal to criminals in my view. So torturing or hurting an innocent person to me is evil but torturing a criminal is not evil at all in my view, in fact I see revenge and justice as one in the same.

See an innocent person is human to me because they have never done anythings seriously wrong but a rapist or murderer, well their evil and all evil should be eradicated.

 

Well it depends on what the victim's loved one did wrong.

Now if the killer got released on a techinicality it depends on that technicality. If they got released because of some loop hole then I think the victim's loved ones have every right to deliver punishment themselves.

If the person they thought killed their loved one was let out because there was not enough evidence then no, the loved ones have no right to kill that person.

And I judge people based on how they live their life, like a drunk matters less to me than a family man. A drug dealer matters less to me than a baby, a woman who has an abortion matters less to me than a mother who goes through with birth.

See it's all about morality, someone has to judge who is evil and is good. Evil people deserve death, good people deserve happiness. Once we have created a society like this, then that society will be fair.

 

Well if our sense of fairness tells us they should pay for the wrong they do, then why do we deny what is fair, if something tells us revenge is fair I don't see any reason to deny that part of our nature. As a christian i'm supposed to let God do the revenge stuff, as the bible says vengence belongs to God. But I can't understand how he can let a murderer into heaven even if they have repented and become a christian. How can he do such a thing?

Whenever I have ever had to forgive someone for something I saw a big offense, as soon as I said I forgave them I didn't feel any better, I felt sick, it was such a horrible feeling, I felt weak and I just wanted to choke myself. It's such a nasty feeling to forgive. Revenge is a much more satisfying course, everytime I seeked revenge I felt good, I felt freedom from anger.

You also say forgiveness breaks nature's rule. In case you haven't been able to tell, I hate breaking rules. Rules should never ever ever ever ever ever ever be broken except under certain circumstances. Rules is what mantains order, nature's rules should be followed and never broken except under certain circumstances.

Finally you say that forgiveness can never change the past. Well then what good is forgiveness? Revenge is better because it is justice, atleast with revenge you get justice.

There is also a great benefit to torture or the death penalty on a life scale. If we show society the torture or the painfull death that murderers and rapist go through, then it will strike fear in the hearts of people and some people will be too afraid to commit murder and this causes the homocide rate to decrease alot. Thus more innocent people are protected this way.

 

Then answer me this, how do you people accept the philosophy of what you just said without wanting to throw up? and I am being completely serious about this question. I want to know what kind of state of mind you have to have to be able to forgive so easily without wanting to beat yourself to a bloody pulp for forgiving someone.

 

A world without crime is a happy place, why wouldn't you want a world without any crime?

The last time I forgave someone for something they did to me that was really wrong, I kept beating my head over and over and over because I felt such anger at myself for letting myself forgive.

If you forgive someone then it means you lose everything, you lost a loved one, you lost your anger, you just become a miserable person that has nothing left and your left all alone and no one comes to help you. You lose everything with forgiveness.

And you can't just let go of the past, it's always going to be there and it should always be a reminder of what you lost so you can use your anger to give something to comfort you because no one else will comfort you, no one will care, all you have in the end is your anger and hatred.

I live with myself because i'm not a criminal, i'm not in prison so that makes me more righteous and noble than anyone who has ever been in prison.

Murderers don't have feelings, rapist don't have feelings, their evil, people like that don't have any feelings. That is just insanity to even suggest such a thing.

And how am I closed minded? Just because I hate criminals doesn't make me closed minded.

Let me ask you another question then. If someone murdered my sister or something, if I forgive this killer, what do I get in return? besides some fuzzy warm feeling in my gut. What do I get in return for forgiving a killer?