Death Penalty?

and i will answer it, it's hard but easy to forgive, forgiveness in my book is the first step to forgetting, if you cant live with how things are with it then change it, humans have it in them to kill and vengeance, but we also have mercy, and forgiveness. so look inside when it's time to forgive, and if you dont, you will be a person that takes away life, for once you have taken one life, you can and will take them all. And SK, do you think yourself as a hero in a way?

 

ok then trying to get me in a paradox maybe?

well your not forgetting the victim at all, no really your trying to forget your pain, so you dont feel bad, so you dont want to kill that person, death is death it's all the same, no matter where you come from, if you say your killing someone cuz they killed someone, then it's still murder, and you have became the murderer, there for you must forgive that person for what they have done, for four reasons in my book:

So you dont extract revenge
So you can see the world in a diffirednt light instead of red
to let the killer know that if they want to they can be forgiven, they just need not to kill or be a super sinner
and so you dont feel pain, so you can still feel sad, but not to the point that you will die.

and the hero thing: die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. that's a good one for you SK.

 

that is where you are wrong, you say you can not forgive those who hurt your loved ones am i right, that means you harbor somewhere the will to kill that person, a will stronger than most peoples dormant killer self, so there for you are not a good guy, it doesn't mean you have not raped and killed someone that makes you a bad guy,(will that's part of it) but it's the after phase, if they still do it and enjoy it then there bad, if they want to stop turn themselves in, or kill themselves to try and stop themselves, that makes them a good guy, because they hate that side, they want to be forgiven, they want to die for what they've done, they want people like you to step on them for what they've done, and if you see a killer or a rapist that is like that then they in a way good, for that if you dont forgive them and you kill them you become what they want to kill inside of them, they are doing a good thing stopping themselves making them good guys, you are trying to hurt them and kill them and let them die, you are the bad guy.

 

i'm not taking sides SK, but some of what toph said is correct, but i see where your coming from too, i think that you think that all the bad people should be really punished, or that all good people should live without fear, but the thing is right now we have fear, we have the bad guys and good guys, so put you foot back into now, and forget about later until it's time. Remember to do something good in your life to help the future shape out what you want to become, even if it's not perfect, you cannot perfect perfection in the way you want it. Die a hero mate, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain, cuz that's how it could shape out. not saying it will but by what your saying your on the verge of going to the dark side.

 

I'd just like to throw in, People can change.
This is just a personal story of mine. I know someone who has been in jail for 12 years after shooting a police officer, the officer died a few days later in Hospital and the offenders sentence was increased. He's now out of the place and he's told me his stories of how much of a bad man he was. He's hinted of killing more than one person but never told me directly (notorious city gangs of the 90's). After his time, he's become a friendly man, just wanting to help others out, not using his anger to do something stupid, just trying his best to do good things in general. With all that, he has found himself happily married with a baby on the way with his wife.

I don't like this Death Penalty. You treat whoever does a crime as an object to just simply throw away as if a used tissue with no regards for their feelings or those who are around them. Corporal punishment seems barbaric.

 

Oh my turn.

Well i got to say is that the death penalty was made to get rid of the bad people that killed others or did super bad as bad or close to Hitler things, then some people stopped cuz they saw they where becoming what they where trying to stop, murderers too, and what your saying about it, your the side of ppl that said lets still do it, they hurt my family, or they hurt innocent people, and they became killers too, and also to add, yes there's nothing you can hold that will do anything for forgiving someone that hurt others, but there is alot of blood you can have if you kill the killers. That's why everybody hates Texas.

 

Point of view appreciated. But what will killing him do (assuming you'd rather give him the death sentence)? Another widowed and a fatherless child on our hands again, right?
Death sentence him before he's married, I just see more (in this case, pointless) bloodshed.

 

i agree, ppl dont solve a thing with death, no matter the point of view.

 

Lots posted in a week. Fun stuff to look over.

Soul Knight, you remind me of another member who was once on this site. I'd swear you were him if I didn't know any better.

But back to the lots posted part. I had so much to comment on, but I probably forgot half of it due to the amount of stuff I had comments on.

Oh, and just so I can sound like a hypocrite as you read my comments, I support Capital Punishment and the Death Penalty.

Ah yes, the magic word: Revenge. No matter how great the feeling of revenge may be, it is not right. Justice is not revenge.

Oh, and if I was in the victim's postition, I may start thinking that I want revenge, but deep down I wouldn't want it. I would want to just get past it and move on with my life.

I would rather not pay for those people to have their life sentences. If we lock them up and see how long they last without food or anything (Clearly inhumane though), that's one thing. But I don't want to pay for a criminal to live for his entire life.

Revenge is going too far. Killing for revenge makes you just as bad, if not worse, than the murderer.

Because torture is worse punishment than death for the murder.

Wow... As much as I dislike hippy ideals and whatnot (Not because of what they believe, but because of the impossibility of some of their beliefs), that sentence sounds icredibly stupid.

Once again, no. Never torture.

I hope you're joking. Isn't it obvious? Because God is so much smarter than you. He knows what he's doing. If he lets a murderer into Heaven, then so be it. You're not gonna try arguing against God's decision, are you?

And now I have to question your humanity. Nobody feels statisfied from revenge, at least not in the long term. In the end, people feel more regret(sp?) than anything. You may not feel pleasure from forgivness, but you shouldn't feel sick from it.

Rules are meant to be broken.

No, revenge is not justice. Revenge is to justice as a lie is to the truth. It is a warped version. A lie is a warped truth. Say you hit somebody and then said you didn't hit them when asked about it. There is truth because on some other day, you did not hit that person. But in that situation, you did hit that person, causing the lie. Same thing with revenge and justice. Justice may be served through revenge, but it is not justice because of the means of revenge.

If we show society the torture or the painfull death that murderers and rapist go through, then it will strike fear in the hearts of people and some people will be too afraid to commit murder[/QUOTE]

Living in fear is the same thing as not living at all.

Does the end justify the means? If it is through fear, then no, the end does not justify the means.

I guess I'll have to explain the reason for forgiving.

NO

It does not mean that. What kind of twisted logic have you been brought up with? Forgivness is not a sign of loss and weakness. If you can truly forgive somebody, then that means you are a much better person than the other person. There may be no reward or anything for forgivness, but people shouldn't be so damn selfish that they expect to be rewarded for things.

You can let go of the past. You just have to accept it. It is difficult, no doubt, but life is a challenge. You don't back down from challenges. You face them head on.

And, btw, revenge is backing away from a challenge.

Maybe if they have some mental disease. Thinking like that makes you just like that. You don't have feelings towards murderers and rapists. And that makes you evil.

Nothing physical or tangelble. And clearly by your way of thinking, you wouldn't know that you got anything. But, like I said before, if you can truly forgive somebody then you are a better person than that person.

Society determines what everybody views as good and evil. Trust me.

Their actions based on what society views as good and evil.

You need to learn to draw a line between these things.

And nobody sees your logic.

Perfection on Earth is overrated. Perfection is for Heaven.

Then in all honesty, I pity you. Having that depraved of a life that you need anger and hate to fill a void. You need to look for something more positive.

Like I said, life's a challenge. You need to try and overcome grief. It is meant to be difficult.

And back to the pity. How can you think so negative? I think negative, but when compared to you my mentality is the most positive in the world.

Oh just watch me give somebody comfort.

Well, if you want to get it in the way I think is the easiest (And most greedy), just think of how much of a better person you'll be.

And back to the "life's a challenge" speech I have.

Look for the positve things in life. Positive things are everywhere, you just need to look.

I personally would like to believe in good ultimately trumphing over evil. Which, since you're a Christian, will happen because God is ultimately good and will win in the end.

Can, but nothing is guaranteed.

It is used as justice. But then, we can debate that no matter what, justice is never served. And Capital Punishment is not barbaric. They don't kill them in some strange way, i.e. torture, they do it in a quick and (hopefully) painless way.

 

you didn't quote me...

Anyways, what DW is saying is to true. You have to understand, that most ppl like SK think that the world is just bad, there feelings are more stronger when it comes to a subject like this. My thing is that if you like the death penalty then you agree with having the blood of human on your hands, there for you agree with murder and think it's ok and right. You are a killer because of that, you may have not hurt anybody like the killer but you think kill is okay if it's killing the guy that kills others. IT'S NOT, MURDER IS MURDER, no matter how you put it or your point of view. No offense to you DW, i dont hate other ppls opinions

 

I know. Just had to give my two cents.

Russian Roulette is a fun game........