Philosophical Debates

I argue a lot when it comes to these topics, but I'll keep it simple.

God: Don't believe. Haven't seen proof
Creation: Not sure exactly. I would mainly see it as Evolution from other animals (Not just Monkeys)
Truth: Depends on what you mean. I say tell the truth, unless the truth would truly hurt somebody, or be too much for one too handle, thus keeping them safe, in a way.
Perfection: One of (what I believe) the three impossibilities. Imperfection is what makes us human. If we were all perfect, what would be the point of living?
Eternal life(immortality): This I'm 50/50 on. I wouldn't mind eternal life, but if I had it, I would still be living while I watched the ones I cared for die of old age, shot, etc. Not to mention, Eternal Life does not mean Eternal Youth.

 

Lol. Oh boy. Time for me to step in this one. *Troll Summoner*

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I find it completely funny. Just funny. So amny people would like to go around and like to think about their own favorite "god" or "goddess" and then try to question about a god's existence. So denying a diety will mean denying the existence of God? If so, then how can you accept the fact that a Big Bang is created and yet deny the fact that there can be someone on the spiritual level who may have just as well created what we see now? You bring up the quote "Something must have come from nothing" and if God can create anything from nothing, then how can you deny a creator that requires strong faith and power which is out of the natural?

For one, in order for one thing to evolve, there needs to be a creation. In other words, a birthing process as I would like to call it. A person cannot just skip the process in the womb straight into the five year old stage without going through it. Once the person goes through birthing/creation process, then they go through the evolution of growing into a child, to teenager, adolescent and then adult. I just DO NOT understand why people would love to deny one side and just understand that it takes both. As for truth Adogx, I do not care if the truth hurts. Sorry but would you rather live a lie and not know while it is still bothering you or would you rather know the truth where, even though you may cry from it, at least you know the truth and won't feel as though you are left out (maybe). Don't agree? Then let me give you a nice example of an adult that I know in college.

She's middle-aged and she has kids. However, she never knew her biological father. She asked her mother that she really wanted to know because it was bothering her and her mom called the father and now trying to see if the man she called is her biological father. It is stressful yes, but she said that she would rather know now in her lifetime than her and her children not knowing. Sorry but I have heard this so many times that "There is nothing saying that the truth is to make one feel good". Sad but is true. Why would you want to keep someone from knowing the truth? Your aunt passed away. Ok. She is gone. That is the truth. You will cry but in the end, you will have to move on. Not nice to hide the truth but yet honesty is not a good thing for some.

Oh yea. As for Perfection, it is impossible in the natural world. Will NEVER happen. Maybe in the realm of God but definitely not in this world. It is nice to strive for it because it shows (And hopefully it is in this perspective) that people want to do better in their life.

Eternal Life? I would love to have it. Oh sure. You hear about the part "And they live happily ever after". Still didn't tell the kids that they had to die from natural death regardless. What happen if one say that the heroes lived in heaven happily ever after? Will it still have the same effect or will it tick some people off? Eternal Life = Happily Ever After. Why, you can say that you yourself is the main character of your life and passing away and go up into heaven means that you achieved your goal. Death is not happily ever after. That is just a phase in which everyone goes through. Eternal Life is the happy ending that everyone wants to achieve... which is why some say not to just look for the thigns in this world but what is offered in the next.

As for me, I do not care about which religion someone is a part of. I'll tell you what God wants out of people and will show the love. Just do not try to go against my religion because I'll end up seeing the other person as a hypocrite.

 

Well God is an omnipotent Spirit who is part of the supernatural so in my opinion, God is a diety (A great one at that).

And why try to explain such things that can still cannot be solved even with the power of their beloved science? As for atoms, I mainly do not care since I can understand how they may be created out of nothing or from something. However, is the technology and research is strong enough to prove it?

XD What if that field of grass is green with pretty geraniums and broom flowers? I wouldn't mind tending to the grass.

Oh please. Now that there is up to whether the granddaugther will apologize to her grandmommy (If she is out of jail that is) and since it is "recently", I doubt the grandmother will be in a rage. Plus, this statement is vague. How old is the granddaughter, if she knew, oh well. Most likely will be forgiven (Unless Grandma is that cranky lady).

Hahaha. I don't think that being damned is ever a nice word to begin with... but then again... there is this one song that was talking about angels deserving to die and another rap song talking about that he would rather go to hell than heaven... so yep. There's a few who may like that.

 

Um... you have that a lil' bit twisted. If God is showing something to a person, then it is not to a person's own understanding. A difference between going towards God's understanding and a human's own understandings and God's knowledge is always better than the human knowledge.

Meh. I see it differently. If no one mow the lawn, who will? You want the weeds to grow?

I'll ask Grandmommy first if she wants to know what the granddaughter had done that one time (And I don't know why it should be a problem if the granddaughter only did it "recently that one time anyway. Most likely won't do it again.) Actually, why should it be about what I want to say? You are obviously ignoring the granddaughter's feelings. You are basically sticking a family's relationship in this and then take me, a stranger/whatever I may be to the family which I really have nothing to do on the matter. The two of them has the closest relationship together, not me. If grandmomma die and the child did not tell, it may break her heart and SHE will have guilt. I, myself, have nothing on the matter. Your statement is to me, more about the relationship together and to let grandmommy know that the granddaughter is not perfect (And don't even know how old the child is anyway).

 

I have looked for proof before. Just because people "say" God is there, or "feel" God around them, or just "believe" in God, doesn't mean he's really there. They say God is a Being, a person. Since they are implying that God has a form, I need to see it to believe it. Now, just because I don't believe in him, doesn't mean I'm telling others not to. "Saying," "feeling," and "believing" is not proof enough. In the bible, people say that God visited them and told them to do this or that (I don't know exactly what. I don't fully pay attention to anything religious. Just going off memory here). Just because they say it, doesn't mean it's true. Also, It's written in a book. For all we know, any random person could have written everything down. Even if that is false, the bible has been changed be people so many times it's hard to depict what the original bible said. A big example is the Wesboro's bible, but I won't go into that. Too much I could say.

Scientists have proven that the Big Bang happened from the universe expanding from volume, temperature, and density on extremely high levels. Space itself expanded, and matter formed together. Now, I'm sure you're gonna say "Well, what if God made that happen?" True, that is a possibility science has not proven or even looked into, but that also counters what the bible (not sure which) said that "God created the world in six days, and rested on the seventh" or something like that. The Big Bang happened instantly, and some go as far as saying time itself was created by the Big Bang (I don't know how I feel about that though).

Yes but Evolution happens by changes/Natural Selection (Not good wording I know). Basically, we evolved from something so small, and grew slowly over time. Our ancestors are monkeys. but who are the ancestors of monkeys? For all we know, it could have been a simple rock formed by matter.

I see your point on this one. Now that I think about it, the truth could be best no matter what, unless it involves one knowing the truth and deciding to kill someone because of it that's related to the truth.

I agree with this. Yes, I argue about religion and why I think it's stupid, a waste of time, etc. But Religion does that to other religions and atheists as well. Every side argues to prove their belief is better. It's gonna happen. However, any religion, or atheists who try to force someone to their religion or no religion, and still tries to argue why his/her religion is better, is a hypocrite on the highest level. I believe in Destiny, but I'm not trying to force people to believe in that. I explain my reasons and counter arguments just like everyone else. For all I know, Destiny and God could be the same thing, and I just don't know it.

 

Truth is relative, which is one of the most frustrating things. Most lay people will point at Mathematics as a language of absolutes: 2 + 2 = 4 and so forth.

Without trolling, what if I told you I could create a mathematically consistent framework where 2 + 2 = 5? (Hence, 2 + (2 + 2) = 2 + 5 = 7, and so on for all of the other 'true' statements of arithmetic) It can be done, and I can provide a google source if anyone's curious.

In this context, 2 + 2 = 5 is truth. The problem is, it's not the truth that we want. We seek truth that is relevant, if we have 2 apples and 2 more apples we have 4, not 5. We seek mathematics that is accurate, and represents our experience. There is a whole world of truth out there that does not match up with our pre-conceived notion of what truth should be, and so we deny it. In short, mathematicians seek to find, not only 'true theorems' but 'true theorems that match up with real life.' And this isn't always possible, for instance, the Axiom of Choice is a math concept that cannot be true or false (oversimplifying slightly).

This is what I believe instigates all of the religious arguments/discrepancies in the world, or even stances on moral issues. If Christianity, for example, operates under the premise that everything must be as the bible says, anything Islamic will be illogical. If a scientist operates under the premise that everything is concrete, tangible, ie. not based on God, how could we possibly ever gain any insight into the existence of a higher power? Any 'evidence' (for lack of a better word) supporting the concept of God is instantly denounced as something "we will eventually explain with science, but can't yet" sometimes going so far as to invent hokey theories to accomplish exactly that. It's no more possible to find 'scientific evidence of God' than it is to find a pencil in your pencil case named Sally, given that you've already named every single one Harry. Science's very goal, and we've decided this at the outset, is to never 'give in' to needing a God to explain our existence, even if one becomes necessary, sometime in the future.

Science is a beautiful thing... I'm a mathematician, hence vaguely, a scientist (I do hold a masters of science), so I have to acknowledge this. But human beings, scientists are people I take reservation with. No field is free from bias, everyone seeks to prove their own little slice of what truth should be instead of seeking what's actually there. I'll never understand why people take science, or even mathematics as an absolute truth. What we should strive to do is consider "the scientific perspective" which tells us such and such.