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Are You Still A Fan?

Discussion in 'General Kingdom Hearts' started by Kitty, Jan 12, 2013.

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  1. Jan 12, 2013 #1
    Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    I know there are other topics where this sort of comes up, but I don't remember the question ever being straight out asked. It probably seems stupid given that this is a KH forum, but it's been ten years (going on eleven now, right?) since KH I first came out, and people can change (and grow up) a lot in that amount of time.

    So, do you still consider yourself a fan of this series?
     
  2. Jan 12, 2013 #2
    EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    When I think about it... no. Not really. I never touched Kingdom Hearts 1 or Kingdom Hearts 2 anymore, the Final Mix does not surprise me or even want me to buy it since I really know what is going to happen in the story and the only Kingdom Hearts game I do touch is Birth by Sleep since that can really hold my attention with the fighting system, music, boss battles and experimentation of command skills.

    I played Re: Chain of Memories but that was for rent and I do not even want to buy that game really. I played my cousin's Kingdom Hearts Re:Coded but that really did not interest me that much. If I were to buy a Kingdom Hearts game, it would most likely be Dream Drop Distance. I am a sucker for colorful animals or bright colors to be exact and it would be a joy to experiment with them and to have different allies for a chance to get away from Donald and Goofy for once. Birth by Sleep did not really have allies except during certain boss battles but the D-Link is somewhat like having an ally since you are drawing power from them so that did not bother me at all about fighting by myself.

    You know what else was interesting? I never had to fight some ships in Birth by Sleep. Not that it was bad and all that but I really did not have to waste time building up my gummi ship at all just to survive in order to have access to another world. I like the idea of not going through that ever again. They just made fighting more of a challenge in Birth by Sleep instead. Most likely did the same in Dream Drop Distance.

    If I buy Dream Drop Distance and I enjoy it, then I may indeed become a fan of the series once again.
     
  3. Jan 12, 2013 #3
    Angel

    Angel Lion Heart Staff Member Administrator

    Of Course I still like Kingdom Hearts! That'll never change. In all honestly once I beat a game's story. I don't ever usually play it again unless its online multiplayer. So its not too different from what I do with other games.
     
  4. Jan 12, 2013 #4
    Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    I haven't considered myself a fan in a long time. KH I still holds nostalgia for me, but it's not quite enough to make me want to dig the game out of whatever box it's still in and fire up my PS2. I think in part I just sort of outgrew gaming in general, and the story in the KH series has failed to compensate for that. Maybe if KH III is ever released, it will stir up some interest for me, but with the way S-E and Disney seem content to stretch out the story, I'm not sure if just the fact that KH III is finally here would be enough for me to buy it/rent it and give it a try.
     
  5. Jan 12, 2013 #5
    xxxJRosesxxx

    xxxJRosesxxx New Member

    I'm a casual fan at best, primarily a fan of the Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts 2. The first being the one I like the most, when the Heartless and the keyblade were more mysterious. Maybe that's because I don't care for the origins they gave them in the later games.
     
  6. Jan 12, 2013 #6
    Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    That's a good way of putting it, and I agree. Things were mysterious, but at the same time, they were simpler, and I liked that. I liked Sora as THE keyblade wielder, at least until that brief shot of Mickey at the end. I liked Ansem as just Ansem, but then they went and explored his backstory, and usually that makes me like a character more, but in this case it made me like him a lot less.

    And now, since I've pretty much broken ties with the series, it doesn't bother me anymore, but at the time when Coded, Days, and BBS were first announced, I felt a little betrayed. Like S-E were more interested in turning a quick buck than giving the fans what they wanted (i.e. KH III). And hearing that this current arc is the Xehanort saga and the series will continue after KH III (unless that's no longer true and I missed it) makes me feel that way even more. Because this is not a series like Final Fantasy that can go on forever, imo. Final Fantasy isn't made up of one universe. There's only so much you can say about the world of KH, and I feel like S-E is going to take it past the point of quality games, and with more and more backstory added to try to answer questions, the more absurd the whole thing will appear.
     
  7. Jan 12, 2013 #7
    EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    So I am assuming that it is best for the game to have lots of plot holes for the players to guess like Final Fantasy VIII, Xenosaga III and the like then.
     
  8. Jan 12, 2013 #8
    xxxJRosesxxx

    xxxJRosesxxx New Member

    No, that's not what I or Kitty meant. We simply don't like where the story went, we feel overall things got too complicated for our tastes. We prefer simpler storytelling, not long complicated history that can become difficult to follow or be frustrating to the point that you don't care anymore.

    I like the idea of Kingdom Hearts being a living being of its own and when it feels the universe as a whole is in danger it chooses a select few to protect it. In this case three would have been fine, with Riku being an accident, cause he lost the right to have one and then earned it back (that's how I interpret it).

    Of course there are plot holes with the first game, it's not perfect, in fact I think it could have been much better. Maybe someday they'll reboot the series, or not.
     
  9. Jan 12, 2013 #9
    Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    Dear, you amuse me, but you never take my words the way I intended them. No, that's not what I'm saying at all.

    This is a quote from a Famitsu Weekly interview, and I think it shows a bit of what I dislike about the KH story. The story doesn't have to be constantly surprising. And the more you try and make it surprising, the more outlandish the explanations, story, and characters become, because you have to constantly up your game to keep it still surprising. Which leads to a convoluted mess.

    Or, you know, what xxxJRosesxxx said. XD
     
  10. Jan 13, 2013 #10
    Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    As long as you don't think too hard about them and don't get bugged by them, then plot holes are quite fun. Depending on the type of plot hole, it gives you room to think up your own explanation. Or they're just something you ignore so you can continue enjoying the story.
     
  11. Jan 13, 2013 #11
    Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    This is quite true as well. To go with your mentioning of FFVIII, Summoner, I can replay that game, and while it bothers me that Ultimecia wasn't ever explained well, I can use that as a jumping off point for crazy fan theories, and I'm okay with it. And while I don't think it's the case for FFVIII, sometimes the writers don't want to fill in every little hole, and prefer leaving some things to the imagination, which I am also fine with. Where KH fails to me is that Nomura apparently feels the need to make the answer to every question something we can't guess. You don't want a story to be tired and predictable, but the opposite can be just as bad. And add that to the fact that it seems like for every question that gets a surprising answer, three more questions pop up in its place, and the series becomes a neverending cycle of absurdity. In my opinion.
     
  12. Jan 13, 2013 #12
    EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Surprises are ok... but when you think about it, the surprises should not be all dumb or to the point where it makes a game player turn their heads away. Most of us love plots in a game so there can be some events that can come ot mind where I usually am not pleased... such as:

    1. An explanation that the reason Sora and Roxas can dual wield is because of Xion... <_< And she is to be an alternative for players who want Kairi to be playable and I find that bogus.

    2. An explanation that the reason why Roxas did not look like Sora is because of Ventus. -.-

    3. Atlantica... yea. Why not just have us fight some mermaids or something?

    4. The need to explain about the letter Sora, Riku and Kairi received by just using Re:Coded... I believe that they can still explain who wrote the letter, going straight into Dream Drop Distance and have little contents on why Mickey sent them a letter in a bottle.

    There are more but that is all that I can think up of right now.
     
  13. Jan 13, 2013 #13
    Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    Well, why do all of the characters have to look like someone else anyway? Nomura's gotten lazy with his character designs, methinks, and then comes up with excuses to try and explain away his laziness.

    I think Atlantica, especially in the second game, is a case of 'decide who your demographic is.' Because I think a younger child would probably enjoy the songs and think the level is funny, but older teenagers and young adults pretty much unanimously, as far as I've seen, think the level is stupid and embarrassing.
     
  14. Jan 13, 2013 #14
    thexwarlord

    thexwarlord New Member

    I am definitely a fan, but I don't play the games a whole lot as I have beat them all.
     
  15. Feb 4, 2013 #15
    EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    ... Because nobodies are almost like twins... :confused: at least that was what I was thinking at first. I don't know. Give Ventus a haircut or something so that he will look similar but not exactly the same.
     
  16. Mar 16, 2013 #16
    Forever Hearts

    Forever Hearts New Member

    I discovered Kingdom Hearts by fluke when I was about 10, I used to be a bit obsessed at the time. I then kinda forgot about it for a few years, I decided to replay it after discovering Demyx TIme and recently purchased Dream Drop Distance. I think that I am still a fan as I am still fond of the series, but I think that some of the games such as Re:Coded have started to spoil it a bit for me and I definitley don't play it as much these days.
     
  17. Mar 17, 2013 #17
    EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Not a fan of the game anymore. Do not really care about keyblades. Would be great if I was still 9 or 10 but now, the franchise is there for memories of great characters from favorite movies. Now that I am older, I really can see that the plot is not all that good and I am not a fan of the characters as I used to.

    Not only that, I am so tired of some of the Kingdom Hearts fan. I was watching this person who gave his opinion about which swords are in his top 5. Was Zelda's Master Sword, the Halo's energy sword, lasersaber from Star Wars, then something else but once it came to number one, he dissed Kingdom Hearts keyblade for God of Wars and so many started flaming him. To me, the keyblade is not all that great and I really do not care if the man made fun of the game or the keyblade. It was great when it was in Kingdom Hearts 1 but then, it starts going downhill somewhat in Kingdom Hearts 2. Otherwise, the keyblade is not really interesting to me as many gamers want to make it.

    I still like Birth by Sleep and there are some good designs of the keyblade but overall as a series, not much.
     
  18. Mar 17, 2013 #18
    RealmoftheDragons

    RealmoftheDragons New Member

    Always was, always will be.
     
  19. Mar 20, 2013 #19
    IcyFire

    IcyFire New Member

    sure I'm still a fan,I just don't play it that much.
     
  20. Mar 28, 2013 #20
    Miaka

    Miaka New Member

    Yeah I'm still a fan, and I will remain fan forever and ever.
     
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