Rap

Thank you.

Rap, is defined as talking to a beat there for it really isn't singing at all just messing up what could have been used as an excellent beat for a song.

 

Have I mentioned that so much rap sounds exactly the same? Only with different words.

 

Well, a little while ago, I started to like rap more than before. It's not my favourite music genre, but some songs are really nice. But only in Finnish, it's sounds fun. ^^
For example Pikku G - Romeo & Juulia and Cheek - Liekeissä. They're nice songs.

 

Rap is lame.

 

For people who think rap isn't worthy of the title 'music' you should look into some rappers who actually have half a brain, and not these popular 'shit up in da club' rappers.

Since a rap song involves a lot more words than any other genre, there's a lot more potential for deep, involved lyrics, wordplay, things like that. Show me the best rock/alternative/etc. song (in terms of lyrics), and I'll one up you with rap...I can almost guarantee it. You just have to know where to look. I mean often times, rock songs don't even rhyme...which is fine, it suits the genre. But is it music if it doesn't rhyme? I could probably compile a convincing argument to support that idea...not that I believe it.

There's a lot of criticism about the fact that rappers don't play their own instruments etc. but in my eyes, the voice is an instrument...and rappers use that to play the tune more than other genres.

The problem is, GOOD rap needs to be mulled over. You have to sit there, listen to the message being conveyed, and accept/disregard that message. Good rock on the other hand is about loud noises and wicked bad guitar solos. Brings me back to the half a brain comment. In other words, GOOD rap (I stress the word good) can be thought as the educated man's music...I'm dead serious.

And you also have to realize that so-called 'hip hop' (a beat repeating over and over, with no real lyrics) is not rap, and has a different purpose entirely: dance (in particular, breakdance). The instrument in this case, is the human body.

Edit: Note that I'm not some hardcore rap guy, I actually like a pretty broad range of music. I'm just being devil's advocate here. At someone's request, I can post lyrics to a rap song with a deep message...but you'd have to download the track to get the full impact.

 

Try these for a few lyrics to beat when it comes to emotion and depth, Inisde the fire by disturbed. Daddy by korn. Bwomp by mushroomhead.

Early music didn't even have lyrics, rhymeing is not needed just like in poetry, Rhyming is just somthing to sound good to a group of people.

WTF!!! Rock's lyrics are just as important as the rest, some great hardcore songs have been ruined by bad lyrics so please don't make that generalazation again......

 

In all three of those cases, the lyrics are nice and deep, true. But they may as well not even be songs: they're stories. I could choose a subject area such as rape, and write a little blurb about it, and cut it up arbitrarily (as in, it doesn't even matter what's at the end of a line) so it fits the rest of the song. It's the easiest aspect of a rock song.

In other words, if I read the lyrics, a song doesn't present itself in my head: I just get depressed. The guitars/etc. are what create the music...not the words. Rap is the opposite.

I mean...how many rock songs do you see being sold/played acapella? (ie. without background music) None....how many rap songs? Quite a few.

I'm confused by your point...we're not discussing the history of music, we're discussing rap, which, has lyrics. Rhyming doesn't make good music, I'm not claiming that. I'm saying it's harder and more involved to write a rap than a rock song.

This is the debating forum, keep your "WTF! OMFG YOU NUB" comments out of this and speak to me like a human being. Thanks.

 

True. But again, stereotyping tells me that every other country song is about a Ford Truck.


(EDIT: For the slower customers: Take home point = don't stereotype)

 

Wow, never heard that stereotype before. My stepsister just thinks it is all about hicks.

 

^^Precisely. In fact, what I mentioned comes from the idea that Hicks frequently drive pick up trucks.

I kid you not however...when I was competing in the youth talent search a couple years back, there was this girl who wrote her own country song...it was about needing a man who drives a "Chevy" pickup truck. Needless to say, she didn't make it very far. I mean, she was a great singer, but you gotta admit...a song about a fabulous car isn't exactly a wonderfully written song.

 

There are some songs though that are about trucks.

 

The thing about country music is that it does convey deep meanings sometimes yes, but the fact that the meaning is usually RELATED to things like ford trucks or their dogs is just kind of like "eh...". I don't really like country music but I won't deny it takes just as much effort as rap and other genres of music to do well.

About rap as a whole I am going to make one PAINFUL generalization about this forum as a whole. It is a PAINFUL GENERALIZATION so please don't get all up in my face about how im SO tottally wrong.

Kingdom Hearts is an asian based video game, and from my experience the highest Pro-Asian audience is asians (duh) and then the acne faced, slip-knot loving, im so much more mature than everyone else my age but im really not, people who hang out in their basment with the lights off, cuz it hurts their eyes (that was the crazy generalization, obviously not everyone is like that, dont get up in my face). So having rap as a debate in a field of rock fans would be like going to bboy.org and having a "rock" debate. It would be like going to Japan and having a debate about China. Clearly not many of you have actually listened to rap outside of "slob on my knob like corn on the cob", which is ok because its not your kind of music. However, to deny the talent it takes to make an excellent rap song is just being ingnorant. Sorry if there are any typos, I've been texting all day so my typing has yet to recover.

 

there are a few rap songs that i do like, but for the most part, they just bug me. first of all, most of them talk so fast that i cant understand them. even if they talk slower than most, i probably couldnt understand them. also, i usually dont like what there rapping about. same with country. but id probably listen to rap over country

 

Good point on the biased opinion...however, I'd like to challenge the above. I'm pretty sure I can't link to another forum's topics, but if you had a rock debate on bboy.org it would probably be well received...people aren't as closedminded about music on there because bboys are about expressing themselves through music. So to them, limiting yourself to a genre or two is stupid, as you have a whole other outlet you aren't using. I've seen many people break to rock music, and although it's a little strange and not so 'yeeeeeea boy' (like the breakdancing stereotype), but it's great for if you're say, pissed off by your boss.

I mean, you'd never hold a battle to rock music, as 'breakbeats' and bboying have been designed around that specific idea, but there's more to bboying than just battles. Training/Showcasing, etc. are pretty important too.

 

Please stop trying to generalize, a songs lyrics are just an instrament along with the other instraments. The song itself cannot be taken to any one part that is only a fraction of the song. And what the hell, yes they are all songs, and how the hell is bwomp a story?

Yet again I disagree strongly, Rap is the exact same as all other music spin offs. It is when people who "TALK" to a beat try and make music. If I hear a person rapping to no music in most cases they look like fools so please, I beg you, stop trying to defend a horrid rip off of music.

Ever heard of operatic rock and metal, yeah the sell in acapella. So just when you think you understand you fail.........again...

Bull, I have written both and rap is so F-ing easiy it's sick. Rhyming makes it to where your lyrics are controlled, writing the music for it is easy as well just one simple beat. Rock lyrics need to have more power and emotion in every word behind it, and the music needs to draw you.

 

Rap to me seems like a mixed opinion and heavily debatable things. Due to the nature of music, and the human brain, everyone has different tastes. For me rap is not an enjoyable thing. Nearly all mainstream rap is swearing, drugs, sex, more swearing,sex,violence,sex, more swearing, more drugs, finish.
Of course that is a generalisation. There is some rap that is deep. Even Slim Shady has his song Toy Soldier, which involves a deep message, and while not being 'conventional' rap (mainly due to the lack of swearing etc XD) it is rather good. Even some of the rap songs with moderated swearing is ok. But the sort of 'F*** yo Nigga' with gun to the head, we is hyped up on coke so you will be dead' (which isnt real) just seems pointless, money grabbing, no skilled 100% Bull shit.
And thats why ive voted against rap.

 

Lul I do agree and am well aware of all these things. Actually Bboy.org was all I could think of as an opposite of rock music, rock is very well recieved there as it is music. ANY music is usually well recieved by dancers even if it isnt their preference. Although I can say that I have never seen anyone break or even try to break to rock music due to its general lack of a "beat" i suppose it isnt impossible. However my origional point is that this place is musically biased, so it isnt really fair to have a debate on music.

 

True. However you can't be well aware of all those things, if you stated:

So don't try to weasel your way out of that one No one knows everything, and it just means you just learned something new. I do recommend you look into it though if you're into that sort of thing. It's very refreshing, a nice change of pace from traditional Kool Herc old school breakbeat bboy style. I mean not to say that isn't great in and of itself, but it's nice to get some additional exposure.


And yes, your original point does stand that this place is musically biased. However my inner bboy had to come out and play a little self defense...no one calls 'mah homies' closed-minded and has me stand idly by! Haha.

I'm going to start a breakdancing topic in the "General" Forum, got some stuff to ask/share on the subject. Drop by Zenrot, it's probably mostly targetted at you.


We now return to our regularly scheduled topic.