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Discussion in 'Final Fantasy' started by EtherealSummoner, Mar 4, 2010.

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  1. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    What do you think about the villians in the Final Fantasy games? Do you sometimes wonder why they ended up the way they are or why they are so hungry for such power? Please talk about villians from all Final Fantasy-related games only.
     
  2. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    A friend and I listed all the psychological issues with the main villains. But I don't remember them all.

    Exdeath - Nihilistic
    Kefka - Insane
    Sephiroth - Mother issues
    Ultimecia - Egomaniac
    Kuja - Megalomaniac (I think that is something. Don't remember)
    Jecht - Abusive father
     
  3. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    ^I'd argue that Jecht isn't a villain. I'd also argue about the abusive father deal. Yeah, he wasn't father of the year, but I think Tidus exaggerated a lot of things, or took them in ways Jecht never intended.

    I think the villains are often some of the most interesting characters in the games. I really liked Ex-Death, Kefka, the Edea version of Ultimecia, Kuja, and Seymour (some more than others). Oh, and Dr. Cid, if he counts. He was sort of villainous. And I think having a strong, well-developed villain can help make or break the game, as far as storyline goes.

    Sometimes. Often, this is explained well enough that I don't dwell on it. In some cases *coughUltimeciacough* it bothers me that so little is told about the character's motivations and background. Enter theories like R-U, that have little proof, but still make me feel a little better about the lack of information.
     
  4. dualblade

    dualblade Break!

    The villians in XII were not really evil,more extremists really.Vayne had good intentions,just Id rather have freedoms and be alive rather then die in a war,probably one that doesnt even involve my country/city-state/whatever.

    Jecht was certainly not a villian.He didnt have too much of a choice,being that they didnt have a super cool airship with an awesome gun that noone knew what it would do except maybe help.Plus they didnt know if something could stop SIn.It had already been shown that the Hymn could cal Sin down,which probably ment it gave Jecht some control over its actions.

    Spehy has mommy issues for sure.
     
  5. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    Also, Sephiroth doesn't have mother issues, he has a God Complex.
     
  6. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    It is both. Along with a Messiah Complex as well.
     
  7. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    "Mother issues" implies problems with his mother. He does not have those, he uses his "Mother" Jenova as the fuel for his God Complex. The mother thing is actually not very prevalent, since Jenova's conciousness no longer exists, being overwhelmed and destroyed by Sephiroth. If anything, he has replaced his "mother" as the new god.
     
  8. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Sorceress Adel is attractive. She's a sexy man. There should be more of a background of how she even attained her powers in the first place. I would go out with a sexy man like her.
     
  9. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    Adel's appearance really got on my nerves, because there doesn't really seem to be a reason why she should look like that. I guess sorceress powers eventually have an effect on the body? I thought Adel was more interesting and had a better backstory than Ultimecia, though there's still room to learn more about her. Wish we could have seen more of Esthar under her oppressive dictatorship.
     
  10. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    I guess because to little kids, it looks like she will eat them. XD Oh wow. To me, she is as powerful as she can get and she's very intelligent. I wonder what would happen if her conscious overcomes Ultimecia's powers...
     
  11. Beloved

    Beloved Azure's Beloved

    I found this distracting as well. Why is it that Adel and Edea look like that, while Ultimecia has wings on her head? I mean, what's the point in that anyway? Does she need to fly using her head? I doubt it. She can probably warp to wherever she wants.

    Adel is a disturbing sorceress though, rather than being beautiful like Edea. Truthfully, a muscular woman is no bad thing, but when you add the pale skin, the long nails, the "veins" I believe they are, it just becomes grotesque.

    Edea however is how I would invision a sorceress to appear. She has the long black dress. The long nails and fingers. And the pale skin was perfect. Oh my those eyes...absolute perfection. Shes' just one badass B.
     
  12. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    ??? Ultimecia don't have wings on her head. She have wings on her back. Also, the reason as to why Adel looks like that is mostly because of the corruption of the sorceress powers and that she have no knight to protect her or to control her. Edea is an exception because she did not choose to turn evil but Ultimecia's power overcame her conscious. Plus, Edea has been a sorceress for the longest and never turned evil. Look at that final time compression sorceress that looks very ugly. Actually, cross her out. The Sorceress powers are immortal so even if the woman is on the verge of death, it seems that it will not perish until that person will give it up to another person. Why the woman can't jsut give it up to a man, I do not know. Ultimecia could've changed her fate if she gave it to Squall.
     
  13. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    There's a difference between a woman who is strong and Adel, in my opinion. There is nothing about Adel that looks feminine to me, except the fact that (I think) she wears a dress. I found her appearance distracting and nonsensical. But I suppose that just makes her all the more disturbing.

    Her final form has wings on her head.

    So, moving away from VIII, what are your thoughts on Kuja? I've always liked him as a villain, but a lot of people hate him (from what I can tell, simply because of his appearance).
     
  14. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    -____- I dislike him more in Dissidia. I don't like the actor for him. Just feels so bleh. in FFIX, I like him better because he's more evil.
     
  15. dualblade

    dualblade Break!

    Kuja was alright.Made a good villian,he really did good on destroying a lot.Black mage slaves,killed a main characters mother,actually fought the party and won (story wise).Of course,in Dissidia they basically condensed their personalities and character growth into each stroy that takes about one hour to beat,so...your miliege may vary.
     
  16. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    See, I didn't feel like he was evil. I saw him as confused and misunderstood. That's partly why I liked him so much- he wasn't a one-dimensional 'evil villain', or so I thought. And I personally liked Kuja's appearance, though usually in every discussion about him, there's someone who comes in to post about how gay he looks. I thought it made him look more like someone you might not take seriously- until he turns around and Ultimas your ass. It made him more interesting.
     
  17. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    Looks can decieve you. XD Look at Kefka. He looks like a clown. "HEY! I'M GOING TO WHOOP HIM EASILY!!" But before you know it, a cutscene pops up where he destroys you.
     
  18. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    ^ Yeah, Kefka's another example of that, to an extent, but I think just about everyone who meets him thinks he's awesome, whereas Kuja is sort of brushed aside. Maybe the difference is that a lot of people think clowns are terrifying, so Kefka's appearance makes him seem more evil and badass, but Kuja just sort of seems like a pansy at first glance. I dunno. >_<
     
  19. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    I guess it's because that Kuja acts more feminine and that he acts like more of a rival against Zidane.
     
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2010
  20. dualblade

    dualblade Break!

    Its also the popularity.Seph is only regarded as he is because so many people like VII alot.Same with Kefka for VI.Not as many people like IX to that much worship level as those two games,and thus they are considered as great villians while other ones are cast aside.You dont hear as much about even CHAOS as you do those two.

    Not sure if Dissidia changed that at all,but I doubt it.
     
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