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Obesity in young ones

Discussion in 'Mature Discussion' started by Sephiroth X Slasher, Jun 2, 2008.

  1. Yukie

    Yukie Fist Pumps

    For what...lol?? I am lost..

    Well ur welcome?
     
  2. For agreeing with me

    And Chinese people boil most of their food and the fried foods are fried with their serect oils. plus, China is a big place sooo they ride their bikes(ones withoout cars) to wherever they have to og to.
     
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  3. Kitty

    Kitty I Survived The BG Massacre Staff Member Administrator

    If the baby isn't hungry, the baby won't eat. Although, I too have seen some parents who'll reach for the bottle first thing and shove it in the baby's mouth even if she'd just had a bottle not long before. Probably these parents are just too damn lazy to amuse their children.

    Children do better on a schedule. Your cousin should have been on a schedule a long time ago. And 2-3 years old is way too old to still be on a bottle. For one thing, I'm pretty sure it's bad for their teeth.

    I agree with everything Mike's said. Parents need to start making sure their children are active enough. I've got kids at my school who'd sit and play their nintendo DSes all day long if one of the teachers didn't make them go outside and run around some. And I think that part of the problem is that parents don't feel safe letting their kids run around in the neighborhood anymore. I'm always hearing about how it's so much more dangerous these days. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't, I dunno. But you don't see many kids riding their bikes to school or walking a couple of blocks to their friends' houses. At least I don't.
     
  4. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    There are other options of course. My family and I try to play airsoft as much as we can, my little sister plays basketball and vollyball and goes on walks with my mom and stepdad.
     
  5. Yukie

    Yukie Fist Pumps

    Well I sit in my room and play video games. Mostly Wii Sports and Wii Fit. Also I play hardcore Xenosaga. And after that a quick snack and then Dance Dance Revolution.
     
  6. Figure.09

    Figure.09 New Member

    Sounds like my exercise plan, too. Plus Karate.

    :3
     
  7. Mike

    Mike Member

    http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/fssa/labeti/guide/images/ch8-1e2.jpg

    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/images/HealthyEatingPyramid-resize.gif

    Having studied both, I think I prefer Canada's guide as it doesn't recommend people take multivitamins. (ie. their guidelines are self-sufficient)

    Regardless of which you prefer, as corny as they may be, these two tools are the closest most people get to speaking with an RD, a registered dietitian (like an MD for eating). They're vague, and there isn't much to account for interpersonal variability, but this will definitely ensure you meet your RDAs.


    One thing no one's really mentioned yet (which ties into these two guides) is that 'getting fat' isn't the worst part of an unhealthy diet. Infact, studies have shown time and time again that active-overweight individuals are less likely to have (say) a heart attack than a skinny, inactive person. In other words, they have fewer risk factors.

    But no, the worst part of eating poorly is being insufficient in many important vitamins and minerals. Everyone has probably heard of "Scurvy" one time in their life or another. It's a vitamin C (primarily coming from fruits) deficiency that stereotypically plagues sailors because they don't eat a balanced diet: their diet consists of fish. (at least in the olden days)

    Heck, show me a fat sailor, I'll show you 10,000 skinny ones. They weren't fat, they're just unhealthy. Luckily these days foods are enriched with vitamins and minerals in an attempt to prevent certain deficiencies, such as scurvy...but these are a far more serious issue...particularly with the 'fast food ways' that we're adopting in this culture.
     
  8. I do Weapon work martial-arts. I only am allowed to use the bo-staff and deminstrative blades. Great exercise(I canthrow knives HAH)
     
  9. lokisenna

    lokisenna New Member

    muay thai and DDR...

    I read an article on breastfeeding once
    isnt that a factor as well?
     
  10. Yukie

    Yukie Fist Pumps

    Yeah...I heard about that too. They say that breastfeeding is good for the baby. It leaves the baby with good immunity, good brain activity, and have a less chance of being fat. But the baby won't grow as tall or something like that. I dunno heard the old heads gossip.

    Anyway Sephiroth X Slasher, I live in the ghetto, so bascially learning how to throw knives is the first thing we learn. xD
     
  11. Awesome, how far do can you throw XD? :D
     
  12. Mike

    Mike Member

    Breast milk is basically milk with 'extra good stuff' in it. Numerous studies have shown that infants who have breast milk are basically healthier, and have less incidence of disease. The sciencey explanation is that the female mammary glands have a buttload of lympathic (immune system) vessels around them, whose purpose is to transport antibodies into the milk. This then supplies the baby with antibodies that it can sort of 'piggyback off of' until it can form its own.

    What I've always wondered is how the antibodies get absorbed without being digested in the stomach. Either the science is wrong, everyone is overcomplicating their thinking, or the antibodies sort of stay in the throat as a sort of 'first pass clearance' against infection.

    As for making babies fat...there's probably more fat in cow's milk than in human milk. However, as I was describing before, babies' metabolism is swayed toward the so-called 'brown fat.' This is basically a heat-producing kind of fat that ('mostly')burns off by the time the baby hits age 6 or something like that.

    (To be technical, a small amount of brown fat is present in everyone...it just begins to resemble its 'white fat' cousin more and more).
     
  13. Well Babies have higher motabolism than adults so they have ways of burnning that fat from the milk.
     
  14. Mike

    Mike Member

    It's hard to say about baby metabolism. Their so-called basal metabolism is proportional to their body weight in some 1 to 1 fashion. An adult however, has a basal metabolism proportional to their body weight in some 75 to 100 fashion. That is, in a relative sense their metabolism is higher than an adults.

    In an absolute sense however...an adult has much greater body mass, and thus a higher 'absolute' basal metabolic rate.
     
  15. lokisenna

    lokisenna New Member


    the reason I asked is because me and my older sister were both breastfed and we have very high metabolisms
    me and her actually get sicker when we eat balanced and healthy...ah..it goes on.. anyways and my young sister had baby formula and she doesnt seem as bright and/or lacking in reason sometimes, and she doesnt really have our metabolism

    I think the effect varies but I personally think it has a social and psychological effect as well
    dont know why though...
     
  16. Mike

    Mike Member

    I would think breastfeeding is a bond shared between mother and child...maybe in terms of psychology, a child feels more welcome among his family if breastfed. They're more free to experiment (ie. make mistakes, and learn from them), and more confident in themselves as a member of the family (which grows into the extended family; that is, society).

    But definitely, breastfeeding trumps the bottle. How long you should breastfeed is subject to discussion, but I think in the early months it's been all but proven that it is superior nourishment. (I mentioned in one thread around here somewhere (maybe Abortion) that breastfed individuals show decreased incidence of Type I diabetes)
     
  17. Yukie

    Yukie Fist Pumps

    If you are in your kitchen eating a bowl of soup. You glance at the kitchen window and spotted someone trying to make off with your lawn mower. The first thing you grab is a knife. You open the door, and yell him to stop. He get scared and fumble with the locks. You aim, and throw.


    So yeah I think about 10-20ish feet.
     
  18. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    I think that the antibodies in the brestmilk are absorbed in the stomach like alcohol is.
     
  19. Chocobo Dyl

    Chocobo Dyl New Member

    About the fat I beleive that it starts with parents.I want to be thinner however I am not allowed to cook so I have to eat what's infront of me.Either that or I starve.If I was allowed to cook (I do cook but not at my house) I would be much thinner and active.
     
  20. Mike

    Mike Member

    Just a few tips to someone in your situation (I used to be in it):

    -Usually the best diets don't involve 'changing' one's diet, and instead just involve decreasing portion sizes.

    If your parents cook something, maybe just try taking 3/4 or half of what you normally take for a couple of days, and see if you're hungry, starving, or if it's doable. (And of course if you find it's doable, then that means the normal amount you've been eating was a bit more than you need)

    -None of those fancy TV diets are as effective, since they involve willpower. With this proposition, you eat the exact same...just a bit less. You don't have to give up ice cream, or anything like that.

    The only diet I would recommend (or diet change) is to eat a higher proportion of protein...this is because protein is what's called a poor lipogenic substrate: it doesn't convert into fat well. So it's filling, and doesn't provide much long term energy storage, so someone can burn some of the fat they've already got. (You also need protein to build muscle). So if your mom cooks, say, Vegetables, Meat and Mashed Potatoes, try to eat a lot of meat, medium vegetables, and just a little potatoes.
     

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