Time travel

Angel · Nov 29, 2012

Anyone out there that can help me figure out this time travel business that absolutely makes no sense. Or explain it to me.

The basic. I understand.

The rule of time travel:
First, you must leave your body behind to do it. Then, there must be a version of you waiting at the destination. Upon arrival, you can only move forward as per the laws of time. And you cannot rewrite the events that are destined to happen.

About everything up until the point of Master Xehanort's resurrection, Ansem knew the events that were destined to occur or so it would seem by Young Xehanort's conversation with Sora.

Sora: Me, right before my world was swallowed by the darkness.

????????: To move through time, you must leave your body behind. Ansem first sent me on my way, and then placed himself here when the time was right. That was what set all these events in motion.

Sora: What are you saying? That he knew everything that would happen?

????????: No, not everything. But remember, Ansem possessed Riku and saw his experiences in real time.

Sora: So? That could only tell him so much. How did he know I would be here today?

????????: Simple.

(There is a loud boom and a gust of wind. Kairi's form flies out of the Secret Place)

Sora: Kairi!
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This scene has been racking my brain for some time. I don't understand how Ansem would know of future events and the fact he possessed Riku to see his events in 'real time' which further confuses the situation. Now, how Ansem found Sora on that day. I understand that Kairi led him right to Sora because as Xehanort the Apprentice. He casted Kairi into 'The Lanes Between' in hope of finding the 'Keyblade', supposedly.

Any ideas?

Yo123 · Dec 9, 2012

through possessing riku he could easily access "data" about their acting, etc, which eases planning.
and who knows if there wasn't another future-future-xehanort who told them more.
but i don't know.. can't afford a 3DS (wish i could), i'm just trying to give this discussion some ideas.

through possessing riku xeha learned a lot about those 3 and their behaviour ... plus you don't know how many xehanorts travelled through time... there might have been a future xehi who told them more..
sorry cba writing more

Angel · Dec 10, 2012

Yo123 said: ↑

through possessing riku xeha learned a lot about those 3 and their behaviour ...
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Like Sora stated, that would only show him so much.

plus you don't know how many xehanorts travelled through time... there might have been a future xehi who told them more..
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XD 12 to be exact. Now here's the interesting thing. How did Ansem know to go back in time and tell Young Xehanort to recruit 13 vessels. There couldn't be a future Xehanort to tell them more because Young Xehanort collected them all. Ansem couldn't have went to the future then back to visit his Younger self because that's against the 'laws of time'.

EtherealSummoner · Dec 23, 2012

I have came up with a theory after making it on another forum but after reading the quote, I think that my theories are... mostly correct I think. This is my theory that I came up with (And Kitty is welcome to join in on this discussion since this theory is made from pieces of Final Fantasy VIII to help me create this theory.) However, I will add in one more part to the theory now that I have read the quote on the rules of time traveling. I will make the new statement pink.

I am sorry but right now, I want to apply Final Fantasy VIII (And maybe FFXIII-2 but that is a little bit complicated because if anyone try to change the future, the past will also be changed) elements into this game since we are on the topic about time traveling. For me, this is my own theory.

1. Ok. So for those who play Final Fantasy VIII, we can tell that time traveling is a crucial element in this game. However, I would like to cross out Karn's statement about the rule of "you can't change the timeline". I have played several games where the timeline can be changed but right now, this game is a good example. With Ultimecia, she is the future, raging villain who wants to rule the world through time because she hates the persecution she suffers. In order to do this, she needs Ellone. Now in this game, I do believe that there is no rule that says that one cannot change the past (And even if there was one, Ellone herself cannot directly interfere with the past since the farthest she can get to interfering with the past is having the person of the past experiencing buzzing from those of the present).

But anyway, the point I want to use is Ultimecia herself. Ultimecia successfully interfere with the past and she changed it up with her interference and she most likely have changed some events in time from what originally should have happened (But what were those events I am not sure). She can travel back and forth to the past and present as she wills it until she is defeated. However, what happened to her is this... Time Loop, that she created, making it never ending. What was the original timeline, we will never know. What we know is that Ultimecia herself created this time loop, perishing time and again, passing on the Sorceress Power over and over. It is unknown if we can break this time loop to where this will never happen.

Now that I have finally found the rules of time traveling on Kingdom Hearts, I believe that if Ultimecia was in the Kingdom Hearts world, she will pass this and can easily bypass the rules. It is possible that Ultimecia has used other sorceresses before Edea but since Edea was her main vessel and she used the Junction Machine to do this at a subconscious level in order to possess those she please, she is... temporarily giving up her body (I can debate that she even did this when she was trying to compress time in her final form). Not only that, even when she try to change the events, she only ends up making the timeline how it is supposed to be with her dying over and over again, unknown to her.

2. Now why did I use Ultimecia? To compare her with Young Xehanort and to try clear up some items. Young Xehanort is given a task by his future self to change events in the future. Now, is there an original timeline without the interference of his older selves coming into the past, I am positive. However, like Ultimecia, Master Xehanort and the Heartless Ansem came into their own past, having him to go into different areas in time. This is ENOUGH to change the timeline. Which part of time did they went to, I do not know (Since I do not even have a 3DS or the game to have more clarification) but since he was charged of going throughout time to pick certain people to become different incarnations of Master Xehanort, I am certain that this changed something in the future.

Now what could have change some things in the future? Well, the fact that Maleficent was able to appear in Disney Castle once again to kidnap Queen Minnie is one evidence that I can bring up. I believe that the time traveling from YX made the power of darkness stronger than what it should have been to where even Maleficent can resist the power of the Cornerstone of Light. There may be some other possibilities too but we may see them in the next game.

But back to the point, after Young Xehanort completed his task, he returned back to his past. He may have lost all memories of the future but he himself have created a Time Loop with the help of Master Xehanort. Master Xehanort and the Heartless Ansem was able to have the Young Xehanort to change events to their liking (And I do believe that the Princesses of Hearts will be affected by this as well) and that with no interference from Sora and the others to stop them from doing this, they are able to set up the stage of going into the final battle against the heroes and the Young Xehanort will grow up (And he is most likely will end up reawaken these memories if this is true about his heart remembering) and will set up the stage once again.

Now with this Time Loop, there is a possibility of stopping this. We can either:

1. Destroy the Young Xehanort. This will have Master Xehanort cease to exist and stop all further events from happening at all (Although the consequences may include Kairi separated from Sora and Riku, not remembering them, Sora and Riku never becoming keyblade wielders maybe, etc.).

2. Stop Ansem, Seeker of Darkness from ever going into the past. It took him to do this. Defeat him before he can give the Young Xehanort the task and you MAY stop the Time Loop... maybe.

Those are the only two that I can think of right now. I still have more though.

3. I have yet to learn about this "Give up your body in order to time travel" because I am confuse but if this is so, then Ansem is able to give up his body (Since we know in Kingdom Hearts 1 that it seems as though he did not have a form except the brown cloak). However, the Sleeping Worlds are supposed to never suppose to be affected by time since they are "dreaming" or is "still sleeping". I guess... that this is a possible way to "ignore the rules of time traveling" or whatever since the Sleeping Worlds is an exception to the rules of Kingdom Hearts time traveling (If there is anything.I need to see videos of anything stating about time traveling in Kingdom Hearts 3D from Yen Sid, etc. However, since the Sleeping Worlds are not affected by time, this can be easier on YX's mission.

But... if it only takes ONCE to throw away your body to time travel, then I do believe that Sora and Riku have already accomplished this task WAY before the events of Kingdom Hearts 3D. Why? I will explain but please read my two statements real good!

1. In Kingdom Hearts 1, Sora gave up his body in order to free Kairi's heart.
2. Riku wanted more power and gained it from the Heartless Ansem SOD in Kingdom Hearts 1. However, Ansem possessed him and Riku lost his body to him.

This is evidence efficient enough to show that Sora and Riku may be capable of time traveling. Who knows! I can say that Lea, Ventus and Kairi are able to time travel themselves since:

1. Lea's body became a nobody and then he became human.
2. Ventus' body fell into a coma.
3. Kairi's body was in a coma itself, her heart resting in Sora's and because of Namine being born from Sora.

But anyway, this is the best possible theory that I can think of. I had to bring in the Ultimecia part in to explain the time loop part and reading this thread made me think of Final Fantasy VIII.
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Angel · Dec 24, 2012

Summoner said:

Young Xehanort is given a task by his future self to change events in the future.
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The thing is. He doesn't change the future. He gathers his splintered selves and then after their mission is finished. They return back to their own timeline with no knowledge of the events that transpired and fulfill what is meant to be.

I believe that the time traveling from YX made the power of darkness stronger than what it should have been to where even Maleficent can resist the power of the Cornerstone of Light. There may be some other possibilities too but we may see them in the next game.
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But what if the time travel itself was destined to occur. Meaning there were no alternatives.

1. Destroy the Young Xehanort. This will have Master Xehanort cease to exist and stop all further events from happening at all (Although the consequences may include Kairi separated from Sora and Riku, not remembering them, Sora and Riku never becoming keyblade wielders maybe, etc.).
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That would currently prevent the events that have already occurred. Which is against the rules.

the Sleeping Worlds are supposed to never suppose to be affected by time
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More like time isn't a concern/relevant.

1. In Kingdom Hearts 1, Sora gave up his body in order to free Kairi's heart.
2. Riku wanted more power and gained it from the Heartless Ansem SOD in Kingdom Hearts 1. However, Ansem possessed him and Riku lost his body to him.
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Well, I honestly don't know. I just know there was a bodyless Ansem on DI and there was Xehanort on Destiny Islands 10 years. Those circumstances equal Time travel.

EtherealSummoner · Dec 24, 2012

The thing is. He doesn't change the future.
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But if he is having his younger self bouncing around the timeline to gather up people, he is bound to change something. Besides, it is not like there is a consequence to the person who is going against the rules if they were broken (At least it wasn't mentioned that is).

But what if the time travel itself was destined to occur. Meaning there were no alternatives.
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If time travel is destined to occur, then that means that there should be something destined to make many alternatives. In other words, it makes me want to apply the elements of FFXIII-2 (Which is so complicated because that game says that if you try to change the future, you change the past... which I guess I can understand). If you change one part of the timeline, you end up creating more possibilities and events or end up shortening the possibilities and events that is suppose to happen in either the past or future.

He gathers his splintered selves and then after their mission is finished. They return back to their own timeline with no knowledge of the events that transpired and fulfill what is meant to be.
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But we do not know what IS the future. We do not know if the mission was accomplished or not. If the party defeats Organization XIII (Or maybe the versions of Master Xehanort) without them returning back to their proper time, then that will change the timeline itself. We also do not know who won in the end.

That would currently prevent the events that have already occurred. Which is against the rules.
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Defeating the Young Xehanort completely... yes, that there will instantly change everything. However, if you stop what is suppose to happen (Like stopping Young Xehanort from reaching to one of Master Xehanort's version), then that there will change one to some of the events that would occur.

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