Abortion

but we don't know what a baby will be like when grown. so all babies are innocent and having an abortion is murdering an innocent person, it's like giving the death sentence to a baby that has done nothing wrong.

 

Hey its been a while

I agree with this statement but it really only applies when the fetus has a brain developed. Other wise it is just a vegeatable and you can't murder a vegetable. Still you should only get an abortion for the following reasons.

Rape: This is a given. Many couldn't stomach having a bastards child in them.

Unhealthy: If your unhealthy and you are having a child then chances are that either you die, the baby dies, you both die, or the child has a mental issue. Chances of having a healthy baby with you in bad health are astronomical.

Again you should only get an abortion for those reasons. If you have sex and you are healthy in every way then I see no reason for you to get an abortion. You have to understand that Sex isn't supposed to be a fun thing, though I am not denying that it is fun. You have to understand that sex is creating a child and you have to live with all the consequences.

 

it's not the babies fault if they were created due to rape. the unhealty thing o'k i've got to give you that one.

 

I understand the reasons for getting an abortion for rape. But still, it is a human being, even if it hasn't developed organs or a brain. What would you think if your parents were going to abort you when you were a fetus? All I am saying is that people don't have to abort a baby just because they don't want him/her.

 

amen desert warrior.

 

Hey, don't drop out for like a month and ignore my responses to this issue...haha.

I've posted exstensively about how a fetus is not a vegetable...first and foremost, a vegetable does not have human DNA. DNA is ultimately the deciding factor: human DNA => human. Plant DNA => Plant.

And before you go saying "I didn't mean literally a vegetable" then that means you means a figurative vegetable....like someone (a fully grown adult let's say) who has had severe trauma to the brain and is now a 'vegetable.'

Is it ok to kill THESE kinds of vegetables? (Euthanasia)

 

It is an an exaggerated meaning for some who has no consciousness. You could compare it essentially to an empty egg shell. Sure, it's an egg and it's there, but there's nothing inside of it. Only with a person it's their consciousness, not the yoke.

I do think that comparing a fetus that hasn't developed a brain to a vegetable is a little.... far.

lol I didn't even know who or what I was. Nor was I aware. If I were aborted and "killed," I would not have even known. And neither would anyone here.

 

According to what Figure.09's said, paired with what I said, Abortion based on the notion that a fetus is 'underdeveloped, and is essentially a vegetable' is equivalent to Euthanasia.

Both, a fetus, and a so-called 'vegetable state' individual are both these empty egg shells.





The only thing is...you don't know if you were aware. No one does, because no one can see what another thing is thinking or feeling. You're certain that you don't remember, but then it's like; Does a plant feel things? Does it ever 'get happy?' Well, it doesn't have nerves so it doesn't 'feel pain' in the same sense we do...but does it never feel any sort of pain? No one can answer that but a plant...and it's not doing any talking.

 

Sure a fetus doesn't talk, but it is still alive. There is life because the cells are replicating and growing into a person. The cells aren't dead, so there is something living.

 

@ Desert Warrior

this relates to my previous comment about labour and pregnancy b/c
your comment about why doesnt the girl just give the baby up for adoption neglects the fact that the girl actually has to go through labour and what not
and also if a girl is raped she definetly shouldnt be forced to have go through labour after being violated

 

I meant that currently the fetus has No brain. It can't function out side he body and is then an organ. A really complex organ, but just a part of the body. It's only after the brain develops somewhat that you could simply call it, "Something hitching a ride." Besides, it isn't our place to decide what a person will do to themselves regardless. I agree to the fact that an abortion just for the sake of an abortion isn't smart but in the circumstances I outlined I think it is totally agreeable. I never suggested that a person in a coma or something should die to but as heartless as it sounds, a person no longer capable of anything but breathing and functioning on low power you could say, is merely wasting space. I am sorry but the fact is is that if they aren't getting better then they have died, but there bodies just haven't noticed yet.

 

@ sma2112

I understand that the women would still go through the pains of labor, and even though she probably shouldn't go through labor from being raped, the baby shouldn't have to not live because of what happened to the mother.

 

really so a girl should not only suffer the pains of the rape but you want her to go on and suffer through a pregnancy and labour that would most likely be worsened by any damage from the rape, it seems all you care about is someone being born and like every other antiabortionist ive met you dont seem to give two shits about the person once theyre out of the womb

 

No, I care about what happens to the person after the child is born. All I am saying is that abortion doesn't have to happen. I have heard stories about people keeping the child that was born from them being raped. They didn't kill the baby, they stuck with it and went with the pain because they didn't try and run away from what happened to them. I say running away as in trying to get rid of any proof of the rape.

 

Hypothetical situation.

Suppose some guy is off to go perform some illegal transaction involving cash (ie. drugs, selling poisoned milk to school children, whatever...let your mind run wild).

If I mugged him in the street, took his money and beat him up, would I not be a felon? Assuming I was caught, I would probably wind up in prison. It makes no difference what his intention was, what I did was wrong. It's unfortunate that he was corrupt and going to do something like that, but again, I'm at fault for my wrong-doing, even though I prevented this big tragedy that could have occured.

Why the double standard?

 

@Mike

i really dont understand how that relates to what i said mind explaining?

 

The illegal transaction the man intended to do = 'giving two shits about what the person does when they're outside the womb.' It is the result, or 'effect' of laying idle to mugging the guy...much like what a person does after they're born, is the effect of 'not aborting' a fetus.

This basically says that in the scenario I proposed, you should lay idle and not mug the guy (it's against the law to mug him). I've also related this to what I've quoted, that aborting someone with the prospect of preventing future suffering, is either identical, or there's a pretty massive double standard going down.

 

OK the second one didn't even help but now I get it. However thats incredibly irrelevant to what I said. You acted as if I said that the child would do an evil act or something but stopped by the abortion. I was only talking about antiabortionist who more often then not, fight for a child to be born and then run away to annoy more pregnant mothers who don't want children.

 

I'm absolutly on favour to abortion. Why? Because once I have a child, I want him/her to have the best life I can give. If I get violated, or if with my boyfriend something goes wrong and I get pregnant, I will have an abortion if that happens at this time of my life.

I don't want my kids to starve. AND if they are to be born with mental problems and deseases and physical problems and such I also make an abortion. It's not that they don't have the right to try and live like that, but it's because the way I see it, as a future mother, I surely don't wanna see my kid being bullied by other kids because he's not like them, or see my kid suffer because he can't walk anymore.

And in Portugal, you can make an abortion until 10 weeks of pregnancy. In 10 weeks, the "baby", I wouldn't even call him that, has a lenght of 3cm (im sorry, but im not gonna search right now how much that is in inches) and because I'm a science girl, I NEVER say it's a ... hmmm... don't know the expression in english... it's not human being, (it's not that i want to say, but i think you get it) because science especifically says that a "human being" is someone that can live and breath on their own. Inside, he can't breath on his own, he can't live on his own. Meaning, for me, he's surely NOT a human being.