Gay Rights

I"m sure they do, but that doesn't mean that they still can't love and worship God even though they don't agree with him. You still love your parents, even though you don't always agree with the things they say right? And plus, have you ever thought that some guy a really long time ago wrote a book and said that it was God's word. For all we know, God could totally accept gay people and we don't even know it.

 

I don't know. I'm just scared of what would happen if gays had the right to marry. I don't want them trying to tell kids to be gay or try to ruin marriage. It scares me.

 

That's like a total stereotype. No parent should tell their kids what they have to be. Kids can be whatever they choose to be and their parents should support them they way they are. Also most children raised by gay couples grow up to be totally straight.

 

I'm just scared. It just worries me.

 

Well hopefully that'll change with time, and people can learn to be more accepting.

 

I guess so.

 

Either that or we prove whether or not there is a gay gene.

 

But also remember that the bible is not immune to change. Since the pope can change it all he has to do is add an 't onto "two people of the same sex CAN marry." Obviously that isn't how the bible is written but there you go. People that do everything by the bible, are not all that bright.

 

LDC: What source do you base the idea on / how do you know that children of gay parents grow up to be straight? It's my understanding that this is a 'wait and see' sort of thing...since homosexual adoption is a recent event (ie. within the last 20 years), not many kids have grown up with homosexual parents. We'd have to wait another like 40 years to do a study and draw a conclusion such as yours.

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It's already been demonstrated that there's no gay gene.

Here's the paradigm for the experiment: A scientist (presumably gay himself) took several pairs of gay twins. He did a full genome evaluation of them, to see if there was anything in common...there wasn't enough evidence to support the idea of a gay gene (to the scientist's dismay: he thought there would be).

If anyone's curious/interested/thinks I'm lying/etc. let me know and I'll search for the experiment on pubmed. I'm pretty sure you could google it, it was pretty big news. It basically disproved the notion of people being 'born gay' or having a genetic predisposition for doing so.

It does not disprove that people have environmental predispositions for homosexuality (which I think is infact the case: like how kids raised in an Italian family are more likely to love pasta), and this is where the new research is headed...exactly as I mentioned in regards to LDC's remark.

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As for God accepting or not accepting gays, I don't think human beings have any right to say He does or does not. Either He does (I mean, God's supposed to love everyone right?), or He doesn't and we will never understand His reasons why: human speculation will always be incorrect.

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The pope also has no real right to change the bible. The pope can dictate what ROMAN CATHOLICS accept as their doctrine (one specialized religion) but he can't change what any other religion believes or chooses as their holy scripture (ie. other types of Christians). Since the pope is supposed to believe the text is sacred, I doubt he would alter it in such a drastic way anyway.

I also kind of resent Zerieth's last statement: "People that do everything by the bible, are not all that bright." which presupposes that because the bible can be changed by 'one guy in power' (which I just argued can't be done), people shouldn't take it to heart.

This is absolutely no different than "Supreme Court Justice Greggory" passing an amendment to a law. Should we not obey the law, because some people in power have the ability to change it?

No, that's an absurd remark.

 

Really? I just heard that it hasn't been proven if there isn't or is one.

 

Haha...looks like I have to go abstract hunting....Doh.

Here's a remark in the meantime:

I also don't think this is quite true either...maybe gay people 'in the closet' will continue going to church, but once it is openly stated that someone is gay, they won't fit into an environment such as a church. I can say with complete confidence that for this reason alone, more than half (ie. most) gays do not attend church...

However it says nothing about how many 'want' to...I still think this would be less than half, but posing an argument is difficult. I can't say (nor can anyone) what others think/want.


EDIT: This is clearly a biased source, but this is precisely the experiment I was refering to:

"GAY GENE" DISPROVEN AGAIN

I'll try to look up the official abstract sometime.

 

So is the debate over or not?

 

Well...not quite.

I mean even if people aren't born gay or straight, it doesn't say anything about the human rights deserved by either one. It's like saying that people born with a spinal problem (ie. spinobifida) have more right to insurance claims/funding than people who injure their spines at some point in their lives.

Born gay or not: I don't think the book's quite closed on this debate.

 

say if this is over, who won? Cause it looks 50 50 to me.

 

It's like war; there is no winner.

At least that's the way I see it.

 

lolz. To true, in war no one lives.

 

I would say 70 30. There are only 2 or 3 that are againts gay rights for religious reasons. Im included in this group. The rest support it.

The way i see it, its pretty much over.

 

whats the point in worryin about it man. the way i see it we all have a right to do what we please just as long as it doesnt fisicaly harm anyone. gay people have the right to do what they want just as much as you and me. it dont matter wether we are gay or straight coz we are all human beings.

 

It's just they are damaging the churches and assaulting straight couples in california and I don't want the Gays doing that nation wide. Thats what scares me.

 

Well, we can't compare gay people with normal people. The percentage is low, so its not like you'll see in the morning, a gay couple walking around.