Kairi as REAL Keyblade user

You know, there is a HUGE difference when trying to classify Sora as opposed to Kairi. for one thing, kairi is an NPC, meaning NON-PLAYABLE CHARACTER. Nothing you do will in any way affect her abilities or capability. On the other hand, Sora picks up new abilities as you play the game. It all depends on YOU. You can choose to not fight any Heartless, not gain experience and basically remain the same wimpy character as you were in the beginning of the game except now you have a giant key stick, or you can actually do stuff. You're thinking in the mindset of a novel character. Shall I go through the list you have made?

If SE gave him a new scar for every battle he fought, it's mean more programming time and thus, more money. Plus, his clothing would hide most any scar he got.

Oh my God! Sora has *gasp! a jumpsuit! And Kairi has an elaborate strappless dress that barely covers her ass, yet she can still fight in it?

Dude, it's a video game. it is meant to be unrealistic. If they killed Sora off in the beginning, then KH wouldn't exist.

He continually gains new powers and drive forms because *gasp!* it's a video game!! The enemies are getting tougher and in every single game I can think of, the second main reason for playing the game besides advancing the storyline has been to upgrade your character.

Can't say much about how he's always right and justified. It's true, but if he was insecure and vunerable, you you like him any better?

Alright, this one is just dumb. "Sora is always getting into fights." Why? 1- Because that's the only way he knows how to solve problems in his 14 years of life experience. 2- Because that's the most efficient way he knows how to solve things. 3- Because it's more interesting for the PLAYER in leiu of sitting through 10 minutes of cutscenes watching his talk it out.

More like the rules have been modified to accomodate circumstance. You can't stay in a bar because you are under 21, managment throws you out. A serial killer has been on the loose in the area and you duck into a bar for protection, see the difference?

PETER PAN CAN FLY AND HE'S YOUNGER THAN SORA. WHY? BECAUSE IT'S NORMAL IN THE UNIVERSE!!!
Oh and btdubs, Kairi tralleved to Twilight Town searching for Sora and riku. Kairi jumped from the balcony in TWTNW.

Not even going to comment. This reason is just not even thought out.

He EARNS compliments and thanks. because he actually helped people, not just because he exists. he does his job and saves the weaker and, gosh, the weak THANK him. Oh wow, i wouldn't even think about saying thank you to the guy who just stopped me from getting killed by a monster.

I'm just going to stop right there before I get suspended for sarcasam or somthing. You are not thinking of Sora in the mindset that it requires. He would stick out like a sore thumb in our normal universe because it is normal that people DON'T act, dress and think like him. But in the world that Squeenix created, IT IS. Sora does have his faults. his unwavering faith in light, his devotion to saving Kairi, etc...

 

I was not thinking of the mindset of a novel character thank you very much. I was merely basing off on facts and what I actually did see in the game that I remembered. Also, I was going off of what is going on during the cutscenes. It doesn't matter if the two are playable or not. And Kairi is actually dressed quite fairly and nice thank you very much. And she is strapped and covered up. She is not a slut while you are trying to make it seem as though she is dressed up that way. Besides, the pretty little fairies at Yen Sid's gave him a brand new look and he is oh so dashing and his clothes will react to his and his friends power and in reaction to his mind and soul at his every single need! And to point out that "It is normal in the universe", let me ask you this. Is it normal in the other worlds too? Is it just for Peter Pan's universe or is it just for all across the gummi universe? Sora sure didn't hesitate to glide down towards Xemnas' big dragon ship.

You want to complain saying that it is a video game, yet you want to give me a link about mary-sue? That is why I said that link is the worse thing to try to back yourself up in trying to say that kairi is a mary-sue. Why? Because part one includes ALL CHARACTERS OF FICTION! This includes video game characters. You are not even thinking in the mindsets of facts and, since I am assuming right now that you did not even go to the link to test out Kairi and Sora (Or even Riku for that matter), the test clearly is saying that Sora is a Mary-Sue more than Kairi.

Upset? Get mad at that test. I am not the one who has a question stating if your character gets in a lot of fights and never get scarred once. I can include the manga version of Kingdom Hearts if you like. I bet the points will be rolling. I am not the one who asked in the test if your character can fly without wings? I am not the one who put in the question in the test asking if other characters are extremely impressed at their skills or if the character dismisses the other characters compliments that can be counted as a Mary-Sue. Also, I do not even care about the "SE has to put in the programming time for this and to add a little bit of gore right here" because one of the questions that points out Riku that gave him Mary-Sue points is that he actually has (in KHII) injuries on his arm but it never detracts his appearance. Once he had that injury, I am thinking that a lot of people actually like his appearance.

And you getting suspended? XD Puh-lease. This is a debate. Go all out if you like. Not going to get in trouble for stating your opinion unless you go and insult a member. And it doesn't matter if the video game is unrealistic. You sure do want to go "It's just a video game!" OH SURE! It's just a video game but that sure don't stop you, Kitty or anyone else on this site to go and say that Kairi is a Mary-Sue and that sure did not stop you from throwing in a link at me that even will include all characters fictional everywhere, even in video games. I merely checked the boxes that applies to Kairi and Sora. As of now, everything that I had stated should NOT! even stop Kairi from even having a Mary-Sue and if all of you are upset at me thrashing at Sora, then we might as well drop the Mary-Sue weapon at Kairi because I will use this link and I will use it to back up that Kairi is capable of using a weapon.

Oh yea. I enjoy Donald Duck doing his trash-talk more so than Sora. You sure did not think in all of that aspects that I had just now listed and from earlier. If it takes all of that for Sora to be one of the most lovable Mary-Sues, then why not let Kairi wield a keyblade or have some OTHER means of fighting to allow her to protect not only herself but to also allow her to show more of her own originality of her personality and what she can do?

 

For the record, the word slut was never typed from my keyboard. Look closley at a picture of Kairi. How far does the hem of ANY of her dresses extend beyond her ass? One, maybe two inches at most. And that goes for her KH1, and both KH2 outfits.

 

More than some two inches. They are one thirds or halfway through her legs. Also, they are called short skirts. Her KH style shows that she is wearing biker shorts underneath her short skirts while her KH2 style is a mini pink dress with a white strap underneath it to cover herself up. Her school outfits is just like any other girls who wear that to school. Her pants is a short skirt. Even so, she dress a lot more fair and they are pass her butt so that it won't show. Plus, the way you were saying that it barely passes it make it sound as though she is attempting to dress like a slut.

 

-___- Oh sure. It is alright for two boys to train and teach themselves how to fight but not someone like Kairi. Doesn't matter. Either way, Kairi supporters would rather like to see her have a keyblade weapon, see her as a party member, or have other means of fighting. Not even asking for her to become a central focus. The focus is on stopping Master Xehanort. (And towards that idiot part, she sure is smarter than Sora in most cases.)

 

But in actual training as in under a mentor is what I am talking about. Kairi would be able to learn how to better her fighting skill from someone other than just some Sora and Riku. Also, you wouldn't even know if Kairi knows how to fight or not. Behind the Deleted Scenes I am presuming and guessing. She could've did anything during her time on the island, even when she was waiting on Sora and Riku. Also, it is not compromising an established character development. It would be enhancing her character from the way I see it. Also, giving her the keyblade would only bring in the positive of being able to fight and protect herself. Giving her a keyblade does not mean that she will become a keyblade master.

 

The easiest way to solve this whole discussion is by looking into the story itself. In Kingdom Hearts 2, the one where she GETS a Keyblade, it is noted that the Keyblade Master(s) must have a strong heart. Riku and Sora are the first two, in the whole series (Excluding Mickey, 'cause he barely shows up. ALTHOUGH HE is a Keyblade Master, himself.) Now, look at Kairi. Herself in the whole story. She is the ONLY one to notice Sora as a Heartless, and saved him. Their hearts are linked- Therefor, she IS a Keyblade master even BEFORE she had a Keyblade. She just hadn't a reason to use it. Now, look at Riku. He ALSO is a Keyblade master, which is said quite obnoxiously multiple time in the first Kingdom Hearts. Both of them have a strong heart. Now, you may have the argument "But hey! The Keyblade RETURNED to Sora!" Eff that. Move into Kingdom Hearts II. BOTH OF THEM have a Keyblade; although the function differently. Kairi ALSO has a Keyblade when she fights alongside Riku. Who gives a damn if she's sweet? If she "Hasn't a Backbone?" Who said in Kingdom Hearts that have to be a big man with courage and dignity? NO ONE. ALL it says is that you must have a STRONG HEART. That's all. Nothing more too it. Obviously SHE has a strong heart, because Sora does- And Sora is a Keyblade Master.

Another way to look at this- Roxas. He had only half a heart, and HE was a Keyblade Master. I suppose TECHNICALLY, he had a third of a heart, because Sora and Kairi were also connected... BUT then TECHNICALLY, he had a FOURTH of a heart, because Namine was Kairi's other.... So, TECHNICALLY, all FOUR of them should be able to use the Keyblade- Although I've only noticed three, because I havn't played anything past KH II. I didn't know there was anything past KH III. That stumped me.

So, that is my argument. So that time isn't wasted in butting heads with me, re-read the passage before you try to contradict me. All this is in the Story- Not really Word by Word, but a dumbed down version of it.

 

*Facepalms facepalms* Uh... Cervante. In order to become a Keyblade Master, they will have to go through a Mark of Mastery test. Since Kairi did not even go through one, she is not a Keyblade Master. Just letting you know right now. I think you meant to say Keyblade Wielder instead of Master. Also, she was able to use the keyblade because of accidentally touching Aqua's keyblade. I'll just assume that you never play Birht By Sleep yet. I do agree that her having a caring personality or not having any "backbone" has anything to do with her using a keyblade or any other weapon or having fighting capabilities at all.

 

-__- Oh sure. You want her to go and jump kick Axel who is heavier and taller. Do you really expect her to fight her off? If you want to talk about pathetic, look at Hayner, Pence and Olette. More so at Hayner and Pence. They jump at him and Axel just moves his shoulders and they are already down for the count.

Also, how in the world can it be poor writing? -_- And I still object about giving her a weapon will make her a Mary Sue. She is already a good, established character. For the umpteenth time, she shows many ways as to how she is not even scared of being in harm's way. Both of us have a 100% difference in this. I do enjoy a well-written story but I also enjoy as to how the character(s) grow more and more as they stay original to themselves and as to how they express their personality and their own being. Kairi did this throughout the game. Started out in KH as a special kind of girl who enjoys her time with Sora and Riku; ends up becoming a central figure in finding and saving her; ends up showing that she is a Princess of Hearts and showing a part of her memory with her grandmother and showing a little bit more about her past; making her remembering about certain parts of her past; actually has a stronger friendship bond with Sora and Riku than Aqua does with Terra and Ventus (In my opinion that is); and she grew from her bash and boldness in KH in a year's time and started to shape up more into a young lady with some wisdom; she still did not fear darkness or danger.

 

Brandon, I think you missed this one.

 

No I didn't. And you sure did miss this one Noz.

 

No, I haven't. I've only played KH I and II. And partially KH Re: Chain of Memories (Which I despise. =,=) So, as to my knowledge of what happens in those games, I'm correct. x3

And I see no point of having someone touch a Keyblade and they can randomly start using it... Leon doesn't have a Keyblade, and he's held onto Sora's. >.>

 

At that very last statement, I did read everything you read. I still don't understand why you think that it would be a poorly written storyline (But I guess it is because you are seeing it in a different perspective). Only way it owuld be poorly written is if they went and made Kairi into something that strongly contradicts who she truly has been in the Kingdom Hearts series and actually made the weapon just go and turn her into a butthole going "OH YEA! I have a keyblade! Get ready boys! *Slash slash slash and make a pose* instead of "I'll do my best. This time, I'll fight for them. Sora... Riku... I'll do anything to help. Just hang in there. *Takes out lucky charm and thinks back on her friendship*". I prefer the latter.

Now, for that Axel comment, -____- I guess you forgot that is a kid/teenager that you are talking about while Axel is an adult. In all realism of the aspect of a female girl around Kairi's age (In my mind), she is unable to fight him off even if she wanted to. Plus, I underlined physical because her own abilities may not include brute or raw strength like Sora and Riku; her abilities may lie in the magical aspect. -.- and I find that women self-defense class lame no offense. Besides, all of the kids on Destiny Island jsut have fun and do whatever they want and I bet that they weren't even thinking along the lines of actually having to go into battle. They just fight for fun.

Her being a Princess of Heart is acceptable as it is anyways. In all honesty however, the Princesses of Heart really do not have any role in the game anymore but since she is actually an original character made with ties to Radiant Garden, Sora and Riku, I assume that the company find her easier to allow her to grow even more, allowing to not to fade away like the Disney Princesses of Hearts. If so, I love that idea. As for her being immune to darkness, why get mad at her for that? Not her fault and it is not like she was asking to be a Princess of Heart and she sure did not let that go into her head. Since Kairi is the force that drive Sora, she is one of the elements that help the game to advance. As for personality, I have already stated on that earlier.