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Obama Debate

Discussion in 'Mature Discussion' started by Twilight Keyblade, Mar 18, 2009.

  1. You just seem to be afraid of something. It seems like you would not be willing to fight for what is right and I mean literal fighting. You are a man Brandon and as such you have to be brave.

    Your idea of open minded is compromise on what is right. You consider a human embryo to be less than human just because it may not be aware of it's existence yet we know that it still exist. Abortion is playing God and humans have no right to do that. Who said that you have the right to get an abortion? Yourself? The government? When does the pain end? Everyday I think about the countless babies that have been aborted and I cry for them. If no one else did I do care for them.

    Abortion is just a way out for a cowardly mother who is afraid to raise a child. Perhaps you have not noticed but I hate cowards. People have to grow up and take responsibility for stuff. If a woman gets raped and becomes pregnant then she needs to stop blaming her baby for what it's father did, that baby is innocent and she has no right to take it's life.


    Mabey it's time you knew some stuff about me. 2 years ago I lost my great grandmother and my older sister in less than a week. My grandmother died naturaly and my sister died in a car accident the following friday. My sister was like my best friend so it was like I lost my sister and my friend.

    Do you think I cried very much or asked for pitty or compasion from anyone? No, I cried once in public during the whole thing and you want to know why? Because I am the rock of my family, I am the one they depend on to cheer them up and to make them feel better. I don't have anyone to turn to when I am sad or hurt. I just have to cry to myself and live with the pain everyday.

    Of course you would think I would no longer be loyal to a God who took my sister and my great grandmother but your wrong. I never blamed him, not once. I knew one thing was true about this tragedy, there had to be a reason for it.

    That event made me realise something. I have people who depend on me and count on me. I have people who need me to be their rock, so they can be strong. I realised then what being a man was really all about. To be a man you must fight for all you care for and for all you stand for and never ever give up. Never say no. A man must be strong, a man must never compromise on his values and morals. A man is only a man when he does these things.

    I still have no one to lean on and I still have no one to cry to or to come to with my problems. I put on a smile everyday in front of my family but deep down I am truly sad and my heart feels such pain. But I have never and will never give up on fighting for what I know to be right.

    I am the type of man that cares little for himself and care everything for innocent people and I have devoted my life to fight for the innocent and for justice and no matter how sad I am or how much pain I feel I will never stop fighting against the evils of this world until I am dead.
     
  2. Yukie

    Yukie Fist Pumps

    What do you think I am? A heartless cold hearted bitch? Well I am truly sorry for your loss. But you don't think I don't know what losing a love one mean? You don't think I know how it feels? I cry because I would never see then again, but then again it is a reality check for me to tell me how life is short.

    I have many family and friends who have died from natural causes or illness, such as cancer or AIDS. You know what if I can find a cure for AIDS or cancer, then I would do it, by any mean necessary because the reward for finding cure is MILLIONS of people save. You know how that feels.

    That is why I want to become a doctor so I can help people. So I can cure people illness. I truly feel sorry for you, bottling up your emotions like that. Do you think that your family thinks that you are weak for not crying? Do you feel ashame of yourself for crying? I know this has nothing to do with Obama and this my be spam, but you have to understand that even though we have two different opinions I do care for you as a member at this forum and I do care for you as a person.

    Keeping your emotions bottle up isn't healthy. You need to cry, let loose. Feel what you feel.

    But you have to understand that there are countless people out there with illness such as, AIDS/HIV, hemophila, Cancer, and other illness. I am not losing NO ONE to these illness again.
     

  3. You think I see you as a monster? Your wrong. What you intend to do is brave and I respect you for it. However if stem cell research is your idea of a cure then I have only one request. Please extract and study stem cells from adults and leave the embryos alone. However if you do perform embryonic stem cell research or an abortion then I can never forgive you and you will become my enemy then.

    Let me give you a scenario. If I had cancer and I was going to die but they found a cure for my cancer then I would ask, "Did the cure come from embryonic stem cells?" If they were not embryonic stem cells then I would gladly accept the cure. However if they were embryonic stem cells then I would deny the cure and die. Sure I don't want to die but I would rather die a good man than live as a murderer.

    If I ever accepted embryonic stem cells or if a doctor gave me embryonic stem cells without me knowing then I could never forgive myself and for the rest of my life I would treat myself as a murderer.
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    Now let me give you another scenario.

    If a girl got an abortion so she could be with me then I could not love her and I would never accept her because I can not love a woman who killed there innocent child.
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    What I am getting at is that I can not compromise on my values no matter what.

    Now mabey you don't understand my situation exactly. My family has been through so much and they needed someone to depend on. That is my job, I have to keep strong for them and never let my self seem weak caue then they will loose hope. I have learbed to compromise on my happiness and on what I want but I will never compromise my values.
     
  4. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    I do want to fight what is right, but I don't want to mess things up, fight something that is wrong, & then have the whole country going against me or anything bad. I'm not afraid, but the time for me to step in is what I'm watching out for. I'm understanding what you meant & what the others meant, but this is not the time for me to step in. I'm only 14 & I'm too calm & is ultra rarely getting worked up by something. It's not time for me to step into the "STOP OBAMA or SUPPORT OBAMA" thing yet. THis is not the time for me to do it.

    Edit: :( I hope things don't get out of hands now that Zenrot had posted.
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2009
  5. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    God what is your issue, its like you get off on getting in other peoples faces. Shut up for like ten seconds. TRUTH JUSTICE AND WHAT IS RIGHT DOES NOT MEAN ONLY WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT! and you and mythril are gonna clean up the mess? no, you are just gonna keep whining. Neither of you will take action on the next election, regarded he DOES fail, all you will say is "HA".
     
  6. You should always be ready to fight.

    Oh like you know what is right? I really don't care if you think I am wrong. I am still going to defend what I think is right and if you get in my way then so help me god I am going to kick your ass.
     
  7. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    [​IMG] STOP THE CURSING ON HERE!!!! GEEZ!! This is why I don't like to do this thread! It already caused enough problems between all of you already!! Not only that, there are some fights that I can't do but just leave it to God. This one is way out of my control. PLZ STOP THE CURSING!!
     
  8. The only problem between me and Zenrot is our views. I view life as a battle between good and evil. Zenrot seems to view as everyone opinions are right and no one is ever wrong.
     
  9. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    god damn, shut up! GOOD AND EVIL EXIST! TURN ON THE FUCKING NEWS!! EVIL IS EVERYWHERE!!
    Stop thinking your view is superior with no background for anything. You dont explain anything, you just criticise everyone.

     
  10. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    But why? Nothing is going to happen then. The simple fact that people are so sure something is going to happen then is proof enough that nothing is going to happen.

    Sometimes it's braver to not fight.

    That sounds just like Rorschach (Watchmen thing). There are times where not compromising leads to the wrong things. As good as it is to stand up for something, you must know exaclty what will happen for your actions. And I can tell right now that never compromising will lead to a worse life for you.
     
  11. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    I critisize those who DESERVE critisizm. Stop thinking my view is superior...??? Isnt that what YOU have done this entire time? And im tired of you both getting up in my face and saying I'm evil because I don't follow the same religious beliefs you do.

    And to clarify: Good and Evil are ideals that differ between nearly every person or creature in existance. NOTHING can be TRULY evil unless everyone and everything BELEIVES that it is evil, so by that logic even SATAN cannot be evil unless he views himself as evil. And of course evil is everywhere, but im sick of you two running around like you are Holy Knights come to save the world. You two are ARGUING on a FORUM. Go to where this evil is and take some action, THEN ill stand by while you call me a coward.

    And twilight, really? Your gonna kick my ass? One, i will NEVER see you in my entire life, ever. Honestly, i will never even be in the same AREA as you unless a hilarious coincidence happens, in which case I would have to laugh. And even if I was, bring it on, I like a challenge, but im not going to fight you for multiple reasons. One, I don't think you can fight beyond a street brawl, in which case i would probably win. Two, i have no issue with you as a person, i have an issue with the way you talk down to everyone who doesn't agree with you like we are all evil and you are this holy avenger sent by god to cleanse the earth. You are no different than me or anyone else here.

    IF however, you want to spar someday by all means I'd love to, I haven't had a match in a really long time. That goes for anyone actually, PM me if you live in VA and want a sparring match.
     
  12. YOU DON'T THINK SATAN IS EVIL!!!????

    Zenrot, you are beyond help. I have no resect for you.

    Zenrot, I said if you get in my way then I will have to fight and I will win. You can never beat me. However if you get in my way I will have no choice but to fight you.
     
  13. ü

    ü 30•05•2010

    Why is he beyond help? because he does not share the same beliefs as you?

    With your closed my i have no respect for you ;P

    But seriously how stupid is a person and what sort of mentality does someone have to have in order to tell someone that for there beliefs you would fight them. Your as bad as the jews that killed jesus for his beliefs.
     
  14. He is beyond help because he does not see the good and evil of the world. Yes, good and evil exist.

    I don't have a closed mind. I just will never compromise on my believes.

    I would fight him because I stand up for what I believe is right. If he tries to stop me then I have no choice but to fight him. If he stays out of my way and let's me continue to try and ban abortion then I will not have to fight him. However my goal is to ban abortion and I will fight anyone hwo tries to stop me.
     
  15. Mythril Roxas

    Mythril Roxas New Member

    lol, U R sad.
    Everything you just said is what I HATE when it comes to idiotic religous people who think they know what they're talking about, and are 90% of the time liberal jerk-offs, but dont know what they are talking about, or who they are messing with.

    Zenrot, give me something. Give me something that you really believe and can back it up with some proof, not opinion. Stop critisizing and being a baby, talk.


    Also, Twilight, please stop saying your going to fight anyone. You know your not going to, like Zenrot said, you guys wont ever fight unless by some miracle you end up moving close to each other. BUT (!) people, people, people! Hold on a minute! Twilight doesnt mean he will actually fight you (duh!?!?), he just means it in a way that he will stick up for what he believes in. He has a strong will, the more you try to cage that will, the more you will feel its bite. Don't cling onto that word ("fight") like a lawyer and stuff, HE DOESN'T MEAN HE WILL ACTUALLY FIGHT YOU!
     
  16. It's just that Zenrot, Yukou, youw two keep trying to tell me that I need to be opened minded. It seems like to me that makes you weak as you seem to be more opened to evil. Sorry but if you expect me to compromise on values it's not happening. I will fight for my values and what I think is right. I hate Obama because he wants to do evil. He wants to take away democracy through socialism. He supports abortion. He sees people like me as terrorist. He is my enemy. Anyone who believes in what he does is also my enemy. So Zenrot, Yukou, just stay out of my way. I will continue to fight for my values.
     
  17. Desert Warrior

    Desert Warrior Well-Known Member

    Being open minded gives you a clearer view on things. That doesn't mean you have to change your values and stuff. If anything, being open minded gives you an oppprotunity to strengthen your values after you've seen a bigger picture.
     
  18. EtherealSummoner

    EtherealSummoner Lamentations 3:22-26

    :(:(:( Sigh. I'm getting suspicious of North Korea because of their nuclear weapon making. We watch a youtube clip in health class with Obama messing up his words. You know how the presidents have to use those things that they read off of off of the camera thing & if it mess up, then they will start to speak funny things & will stuble over them. Obama said Massatoottetts instead of Massachussetts & then said he will be the next president & vice president which he messed up saing that. Then said something else about crying babies or something, which cracks me up. XD
     
  19. demon of darkness

    demon of darkness New Member

    He has no right to talk about babies when he supports abortion.
     
  20. Zenrot

    Zenrot New Member

    So wait now. I support abortion. Does that mean I can never have a baby?

    Also, there is a difference between the word "fight" and the phrase "kick my ass". And im not a "know it all religious person". I HATE religion. With a passion. Organized religion in my eyes has always been a crutch that weak people hang on to and use to justify things that have no justification. To me its no different than a video game. Satan = Sephiroth. I do believe in a god, but my views are... unique. And i don't recall saying "i dont think satan is evil" my words were "by the human understand of good and evil, nothing can truly be evil because by definition nothing can be classified evil unless every creature classifies it as such". I do not believe in a devil, but in christianity yes, i do think he is evil. Definitely the bad guy.
     

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