Open Minded Vs. Closed Minded

If you're talking about the economy at the time, then nobody knew it would happen (And that it happened in the late 20's, during Wilson's term, which is why I think you're talking about the other thing I'm about to mention). If you're talking about the war, then in all honesty, it doesn't matter who knew what would happen. England and France and Russia would all still buy into Hitler's lies and let him do what he did.

And nobody saw Pearl Harbor coming. And Japan definantly didn't see the after effect that was caused.

Ahh.... Big Brother. Always sounds fun to be in charge in a government like that. But only in charge. Never being the one being ruled.

 

I was talking about Pearl Harbor, not the economy.

 

FDR didn't know Pearl Harbor was coming. It might have been expected, but nobody knew it would happen until it did.

 

He knew a lot of it was coming, thats why he waited to be the "miracle" President. Much like the strategy that Bush and Obama are pulling off right now.
You have one side of the political family fall, and then have the other take control after the chaos and come out as a hero. Its a con.
You might say "Thats all lies and conspiracies, dont make things up", but the fact is Bush and Obama are related, and hell they are even related to FDR for Christ sake. Like God, i do not play with dice, nor do i believe in coincidence.

 

How many times have members here told you that being related doesn't really matter when looking at the individual?

Example. One of my cousins is an ***hole. But just because he is doesn't make me one. I could be related to Hitler (Probably not, but it is a possibility). Doesn't mean I'm gonna grow up to become a dictator and perform mass genocide.

 

Yes I am going to have to agree with DW on this one. Don't judge a person by their family. My mother is a racist and lazy, but that doesn't mean I am. I'm a researcher and a student philosopher, I love all people, Black, white, gay, women, men, babies (Including the unborn ones), muslims, jews, ect. I am open to debate but I expect for everyone to respect eachother, and let's find a way to work together, but I will not waver on my morals and my loyalty to Christ.

So obviously my mother and I are very different even though we are mother and son.

 

yeah but your families arent winning Presidential elections time and time again, are they? Its basic mathematics/Psychology. Its a correlation variable, duh??
I'm not saying they all think the same way, but they are obviously moving towards a thoughtout similiar agenda, arent they?

 

That's because in the end Bush was more to the left than what everybody originally thought.

 

Amen, that is the truth.

Mythril I will admit that some families do have similar politics but one can not be judged based on their family. I know my family has been in turmoil since before I was born and I can recognize that fact where as most in my family choose to ignore that fact, so because I can recognize that fact and accept that fact, I can then begin to fix that. I can stop the turmoil of past generations of my family and raise the next generation in a better way that way the pattern of turmoil that has followed my family for the past generations will come to an end with my generation and the next generation can be a new start.

What is the moral of that story? That one member of a corrupt family can end the corruption. If a new baby Bush was born I cannot judge that baby based on what the 2 president Bush's have done, that baby could recognize the corruption of his family and not become a part of it and end the corruption right there with his generation.

See what I mean?

 

true, and Obama is more right wing in a Capatilist pig way than we thought, right? So they meet somewhere in the negative middle, wats your point?

I agree with you on all that, thats not wat I'm saying. I'm not blaiming future generatinos of Bushes for what happened on 9/11.
I'm blaiming Bush jr.
I'm not blaiming Obama's daughters for giving billions of tax dollars to corporations that gave their CEO's bonuses for Christmas.
I'm saying that a common correlation variable within out own government is ODD and it defies logic and COMMON SENSE to deny that there is a scheme of sorts happening behind the scenes that isn't related to this very correlation.

I'm not saying I hate everyone in the bloodline, I'm saying bad people in government COME FROM IT!!!!

 

Well power has been shown to corrupt people but those who can fight this corruption are the ones who become truly great leaders. I wont deny that yes there has been a pattern but there has been those to break that pattern. The founding fathers are a great example, they could have been corrupt and create a monarchy but they did what was right and created a democracy. Lincoln could have given up on the war like some in the north wanted him to do but he knew that his cause was just and he kept fighting until he defeated slavary in this country.

Truly great people who understood the temptation and corruption of power and were able to avoid becoming corrupt.

 

Of course, I totally agree with you. That is why Popular Sovereignty creates a government of no coruption, becuz the people can only blame themselves for their mistakes. A side from that, The Founding Fathers were Free Masons, a fraternity (which I plan becoming apart of once I am 18) who's philosophy and principle are a secret, but many Masons in history have done miraculous things. Isaac Newton and the Founding Fathers are great examples of Successful Masons, and is believed that Mark Twain was a Mason as well.

And as for Abraham Lincoln, Idk if he has Masonic connections at all, but he was a strong man who died for his beliefs like a martyr, He's on of my favorite presidents and I think a lot of his Morals and Ethics that drove him to become the man he is started with his childhood and how he was raised up here in the Mid West. He had a great Mother.

Those are great examples of great leaders Soul Knight, but my Biggest "comeback" to what you have stated is this, Those men have no relation to the specific bloodline I am talking about. In fact, the Founding Fathers were fighting the English royal bloodline. And Lincoln has no relation to the bloodline of the English royals either. So what was your point in bringing them up and bringing up the whole corruption bit? To prove me right? Prooving that you can overcome the corruption of government only prooves how weak the morals and ethics are of this specific family that continuously gains control in the American government through out history.

Or maybe not that they have weak morals and ethics, but that they deliberately ignore them. There is an obvious agenda going on, and its hard for anyone who knows a little bit about what they're talking about to miss. Its all going towards Globilization and a Communist Manifesto hidden beneath the snake like tongues of Captalist Pig feeding governments.