Open Minded Vs. Closed Minded

That is not what I meant. In case you don't know all of the great philosophers believed in a higher being.

You can't only believe in science and expect to discover the truth. You have to believe there is a higher power to be a philosopher.

I mean even Einstien said that it was unlikely that there was not a God. Every Philosopher has believed in a God and those men are still regarding as the greatest geniuses of all time.

In alot of ways modern science is more of a step back in the human search of knowledge.

It's always the group of the few that know the truth, but people don't believe them till it's too late.

As long as you continue to say that there is no God and no truth to anything else and science is the only truth, you will never be like the great minds.

 

I hope you don't assume I'm atheist. That's not very philosopher-like.

And for the record most philosophers and great-thinkers are DEists. Meaning they are not sure, but are open the idea. Being a philosopher can mean being open to the idea, but that doesn't mean you believe in it regardless of what's shown to you.

And not all philosophers think that way. Existentialism, philosophy according to Kant and Niche, Kierkegaard, etc, they all had their own philosophy and were open to idea's of God. However, the great battle of philosophy isn't always about being open to these idea's. Some incredibly profound and brilliant philosophers, as well as complicated in text to read (such as Kant), had no belief in the divine.

(However Kant did have some belief in God; in fact his work called "Critique of Pure Reason" has an entire proof of the existence of God according to his perspective in philosophy)

One of the most (if not, it is the most) difficult battles in philosophy is the battle between divine and material, the real and the non-real, the infinite and the bordered. To say all philosophers and great thinkers were believers in a God is a fallacy, because that would mean they were all similar in upbringing. But culture never yields such nice clean results. Since it is, philosophy after all. Philosophy can never have it's own perspective.

As long as you think philosophy is the way you think it is (that one search for the truth you want but you may never find, i.e. the foundation of the building truth set theory) you will never understand philosophy, because again, philosophy is not set, and it is not singular. It is all-encompassing with many points of interest whether they be qualitative or quantitative. And since you clearly don't understand that, I can't say I can agree with you entirely on your idea's.

However, if that's the way you want to be, that's fine. To each his own; I respect your feats wherever they may be.

A great mathematician (Kurt Godel) once said, in regards to credits and awards to his ground-breaking theories of philosophy and math, that he had not found any truth at all. In fact, he said he had only made things more complicated and in fact may have worked backwards in really understanding anything. He knew this and understood the possibility because he knows that philosophy and logic, as well as experience, is not based on discovery. It is based on itself, for it is its own identity. Just a final thought.

 

I meant all the great philosophers. Nostredamus, Einstein, ect.

The point you make in the divine is true but it's not how I precieved it. We don't know what God is? Is he physical, spiritual, a force, what? We don't know. But Philosophers overtime has said that it is unlikely there is no higher being/force/whatever.

This great whatever is what humans understand as God.

If you want to prove that there is nothing but this unviverse and the here an now then lets begin the search, let's find the answer. Instead of arguing let us everyone human being give up all the cares and pleasures of life to devote our whole existence to discover the truth of everything.

Imagine how much better the world would be? If we knew what caused evil, then we could find a way to destroy evil leaving only good and thus peace would finally rule. Is this not the goal of humanity?

Then why are we wasting our time with the everyday, let's seek out the truth.

 

good......

 

little harsh dude! :/

 

Gay people are fun. =)

The more you talk of good and evil, the truth and untruths, the more you create wars and dissociative identities.

Everything is one. You'll find more truth from that I assure you. -shrugs-

 

There has to be two sides to everything. Good and Evil, Liberal and Conservative. Two sides constantly fighting eachother, this is human nature. That part of our nature comes from evil. If we destroy evil we destroy our darker sides and thus we will only have good remaining in us and there will be no problems, we will all be good. Only our good nature should survive, the bad part of us should die.

 

Why?

If there must only be two sides always, then what do we believe when there is one side? Wouldn't our perception of evil and good be skewed and lost once "evil is gone"?

Your argument is inconsistent. Eventually another evil will pop up, and everything will be lost and the battle will never end. You can never hope to achieve salvation with that point of view because no one will ever understand.

 

You have no knowledge of the Apollian or Dyonisian soul traits.

If you were Apollian you are all for rules and order but you lack a sense of passion.

If you were Dyonisian you'd be for the passion that makes you human but lack the sets of guidelines that we call common sense.

You NEED both to be a human.

If we were all Apollian we'd be robots.

All Dyonisian; savage beasts.

 

That's the whole point. To be free of Evil. To no longer feel jealousy, hate, anger. It would all be gone. Replaced by the will to only do good to ourselves and to others.

No longer would there be any reason to kill or to damage our bodies or our planet.

Evil is the thing that holds us back.

Everything that we do wrong will die with evil and we will become pure and perfect. Imagine that world. Finally free of all pain and heart ache.

A perfect world where evil no longer exist.

 

A perfect world where evil never existed... NEVER EXISTED.

Evil is the thing that balances EVERYTHING out.

You need both to keep the world turning. If you have too much Evil you get Big Brother. Too much good, Mustapha Ford.

 

Congratulations.

You want robots (Icarus reference).

 

Hey, why don't we all take some soma and scream Orgy-Porgy at the top of our lungs.

Or would you rather have Big Brother love you?

 

Soma and song plz

Big brother can play too... if he wants, I guess. As long as he doesn't try to take over. -swats his hand- Bad big brother!

 

Then perhaps inbalance would be better. If evil is gone then we are inbalanced into good. And as long as Good rules is that not best? I mean evil is something we are suppose to hate.

Aren't you tired of the world always being in trouble? If evil was gone it would'nt be like that.

I'd rather be a robot and living in a peaceful world of complete goodness than this hellish piece of dirt that is the current way of reality.

I'm just tired of bad things happening. I want to destroy at it's source so we will always be happy.

I'm really tired of staying up hours every night thinking of how many people have died today, or how many people are hurting. I want to make things so no one hurts again. The only way to do that is to destroy evil at it's source completely.

 

Vert selfish thing, gays find being gay happy. You would kill a gay man so you could be happy? That seems 'Evil' to me, thus I will have to kill you in your logic.

 

I am going to have to make a very big mental note on who to pray for after readin these couple of pages.

 

Read 'Brave New World,' and then come back to me with your same argument.
Also, there is no such thing as perfect.

Not even God, or else he wouldn't have created us in his image.
Also, being a robot is being void of humanity and individuality.

Being a robot is to have no personal agenda or purpose.
You would be dead with your eyes open, basically.

 

Ooooh boy. Three pages to comment on. Amazing how popular this thread has gotten in a week.

When the world is supposed to end.

Personally, I think everybody should keep it indoors. Its jsut too awkward seeing random people sucking the air out of eachother. And I know that nobody has to stare, but there are just some things meant to be private. And then there are those people who have fettishes of watching people make out.

Holding hands, a peck on the cheek, I don't mind those.

But in all honesty, making out is more of a private thing than a public thing.

Nope. Because evil is the opposite of good. And if everything is good, then people will know that opposite of how things are is bad. And besides, society determines what is good and what is evil.

Sure it did. Before evil actions were commited. That time may be when the human population was extremely small, or even before humans. But a perfect world where evil never existed has existed. It may never exist on Earth again, but it has before.

Evil is the lack of good. So it doesn't balance anything out.

You really don't need both. You just need a change in the human psyche so that we wouldn't do evil things.

Nope. God is perfect. Just because He created us in his image didn't mean He created us to be exactly like Him. Say I'm a master artist. And I paint a portrait of myself. I would have created it in my image, but the portrait wouldn't be me. So in the end, God can easily have created us in His image and still be perfect. After all, God is perfect (I'm guessing you're going off of the Christian god); being all powerful, all knowing, and everywhere at once.

 

You wanting to censor gays and not befriending them out of 'love' isn't love in any sense of the word, as well. To 'love' is to accept someone with all faults and positive qualities and to associate yourself with them and embrace them as human beings by making yourself known to them.

I also find it pathetic when I see commercials that use God as a product. "Buy this and you'll find jesus." God is all knowing, loving, and accepts and cares for every one of his creations. Every counter argument that you use to support yourself is entirely void of why people believe that God exists.

You can still be a Christian and accept a gay or lesbian woman for whom they choose to love because love essentially knows no boundaries. It is only perceived to have boundaries socially and institutionally because of the conservative and closed minded individuals that fight to gain power and use 'fear' as a means to control their population.

To be true to your religion is not to merely 'tolerate' people. It is to accept them. That also applies for being a completely open minded and open hearted human being. There is no 'forgiveness,' because we all essentially sin. There is only acceptance.

Creating a wall because you and another individual, and working to silence them, and using arguments that aren't even based off of fact is allowing you to transform yourself into more of a heartless animal instead of a God loving human being.

There is no such thing as good without evil, and evil without good. As with darkness and light; each need the other in order to exist. Without evil, there would not be a perception of goodness, and both ideologies become skewed since not everyone shares that same perception on what each essentially is in its purest form.

To be conservative or liberal is neither an absolute good nor an absolute evil.
To be heterosexual or homosexual is neither an absolute good nor an absolute evil.

They merely co - exist, as all of us do because the Universe always finds a way to create a sense of balance. This applies to nature, physics, science and humanity. Even though our opinions may differ, I am not condescending towards you, nor do I tolerate you. I accept you as a person and hold a mutual human respect for what you say. I don't live in a black and white world where everything needs to share my opinion in order to qualify to exist.

I live in a world of color.
To create social boundaries between yourself and another human being of not accepting him or her is cutting yourself away from God. God does not tolerate, God only loves. Love is to accept and to embrace.

Since he created us, so to speak -
We are all meant to find a way to co exist in peace, or at least a sense of it.