Square Elite Tournament 2017

As of Hope's resignition the time limit for @Become to post has begun.

 

I've got my response mostly worked out. Just need to know... how many punches would have been preceding the Chain move? Or is the move meant to be just the Chain?

EDIT: Really, it doesn't so much matter how many as much as whether or not a 'slower' series of punches preceded the Chain move.

 

Contesting an element of my opponent's response.

For judge determination: warping in itself, on Andrea's part, would inherently be a practically silent maneuver; certainly in the vein as to not openly telegraph her position.

 

In most cases a warp or teleport has a distinguishing effect to go with it. You didn't specify it was a silent maneuver so I think it's fair to let Moogle's attack slide.

 

My last thought on the matter, as I only considered it about an hour ago: the matter of instantaneous movement vs. expedited movement.

EDIT: As a clarification, I had meant to add this on as an added matter of dispute to my previous post. Overall, I've viewed it as suspect that, if even just a feint one, the sound would have been so immediately pinpointed as heralding Andrea's presence. A speculation on justification, if you will.

Especially given that the 'distinct' sound of a warp, effectively, seems to only occur once upon its initiation; rather than a definitive "vanish effect" followed by a "reappear" effect." Ergo, two warps = twice that this sound is, in theory, being heard anyways. Both, still originating from a distance away.

@Kai and @Taboo Sho

Bullet points highlighting my contentions for consideration in the ruling on the most recent round between myself and Moogle:

Moogle's response reflects the use of the Bangaa's hearing as a means to have detected and anticipated the impending warp-strike.

• Recognition: On my part, that warping does come with, albeit arguably subtle, sound.
• Contention: that the sound associated to the warp, as per Moogle's post, is not the sound that would be produced based on the variation of warping used. Sticking to the FFXV variants, primarily as implied by my description of the warp's visual aftermath, the noise produced would be a singular effect upon the initial use of the warp (rather than a distinct, noise marking a disappear-reappear pattern as otherwise implied). Click. This, of course, reflects the observation of my own ears, and perhaps, someone else is hearing something more that I am not.
• Possible 'extraneous' noises to rule out of such a maneuver in the case of Andrea: the sounds produced, evidently, by the hurling of a blade or other weapon at the opponent ahead of the warp, an element not present in Andrea's case as she's using her fists.
• Further consideration to potential environmental factors: the noise from the present audience of the arena, established (inadvertently to this situation) in my intro post, but acknowledged and thus corroborated by two out of three of the other original competitors in the battle; no comment since has indicated significant subsiding of 'white noise' stemming from the given environment.
• With given points above considered, in the event of hearing the warp(s), a question into the overall viability in ascertaining that an agreed 'feint' noise preceded a sneak attack.
• With given points above considered, in the event of the attack being identified, the question of the viability of Veldaan, at a presumably "normalized" speed, both doing so and moving quickly enough to evade prior to the strike landing.
  
• Preemptive defense of a prior, similar evasion on my part: that Andrea was, as per her established ability mechanics, under the effects of a haste spell buffing her speed, and that shouting at someone is quite a bit less subtle a sound than warping.

 

Hmm. You seem to have covered every point I can think of... and you do have a rather valid argument. But in reference to FFXV's warping sound, that is one of the loudest warp sounds ever, heard over most of of the rest of the gangs yelling and fighting in almost every instance even story wise. I rule in favor of keeping the post as is.

@Moogle @Become @Kai

 

Andrea's AP shells would be comparable to what used in typical police/military operations; capable of piercing through body armor and light vehicles; like, she's not putting a bullet through the side of a tank or anything like that... at least not without some sort of boost from magic.

The concession of power of the pistols vs. her other other firearms would be largely inherent in their effectiveness over distances. Her sniper rifle, for example, would retain its effectiveness over the longer ranges, where as she would have to keep closer quarters to use her pistols to any effect. Especially when attempting to pierce through armored opponents.

If an AP shell in and of itself struck the shield, it would likely not retain the momentum to pierce clear through the armor. Of course, this all depends on what the shield and armor are made of and just how dense/hard that material is. Anything within the realms of traditional plate mail, I think, might not stand up so well.

EDIT: As an inquiry for you, DW: what are the timeframes for such spells at Hector's disposal as Haste and Aero?

 

It would appear that I really am being ganged up on...

EDIT: That aside, I think our bearings may not be on the same page as each other; if we're running with my previous maneuver having succeeded, then Andrea will have circled behind Veldaan and then taken her shot(s). So as far as I can tell:

Andrea -> Veldaan ->

We're all on the same wavelength as far as that goes?

 

I've just never seen anyone pass up the open chance to off another character twice in a battle like that.

My suspicious side tells me you two have been coordinating this since Hope dropped out.

 

I'm guessing there already would have been some distance between Veldaan and Andrea when she fired her Stun Shells. I'm not entirely sure what sort of angle Hector was coming down at, but surmised that if Andrea was his target, her moving closer to Veldaan would at least cause him to have to alter his course anyways?